Revan's unbalancing of the Force, accomplished by her sheer presence, is a comparable, if not outright superior feat, to Darth Plagueis and Palpatine's unbalancing.
- The Force was "roiled and convulsed" like never before with Revan's reintroduction to the galaxy:
- The Force was disturbed to an extent that Lana Beniko remarked that it was felt "nowhere and everywhere:"
- Unlike instances such as the resurrection of Darth Maul, the disturbance only grew in time, thus constituting it as an unbalancing:
- The idea was entertained that the Force was affected to the extent that it was impacting the thinking of others:
As established above, many individuals felt this presence. Only the protagonist was unable to sense it. While many would argue that, since the protagonist did not sense the disturbance, that it must have been weak, this is a flawed argument. The protagonist is an individual far more powerful and attuned that some of the character's who sensed the disturbance. Thus, an alternative argument would be that, frankly, the Force itself was protecting the protagonist from the disturbance. This argument is supported by the fact that the protagonist had a Force vision of Revan's plans, allowing Revan to actually be caught and his plans to be destroyed. Likewise, the ship of the protagonist mysteriously glitched and changed its coordinates to Rishi. These cannot be dismissed as mere coincidence. As established in A New Hope, the concept of "luck" in Star Wars is replaced by that of the Force.
To summarize:
- Revan's presence in the Force unbalanced it like it never had been before.
- The disturbance was a constant, growing threat, not a wound in the Force or such.
- Many individuals made note of this, with some fearing it was affecting their mind.
- The Force took action against Revan, guiding the protagonist to confront Revan in battle.
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In comparison, the below are facts concerning the unbalancing of Palpatine and Darth Plagueis:
- It was accomplished after "months of intense meditation."
- For the "first several months," little progress was seen.
- No "counterforce" had risen against them during that time.
- They were completely united as a single, incorporeal entity.
- The end result of the war was the creation of Anakin Skywalker.
- A rift in the Force was already established by Darth Tenebrous' master.
While the feats, ignoring all circumstances, is likely more impressive for Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueis, since it yielded the creation of the Chosen One itself, note that Revan never even attempted to wage war against the Force, nor did he mediate for months straight. His mere presence was enough to not only affect the Force on a galaxy-wide scale, but likewise force the Force to initiate a "counterforce" to the disturbance, similar to how the Chosen One was created. The notion that Revan, in months of deep meditation and specifically aiming to war with the Force, couldn't replicate the results of these two when he's already doing it without realizing it, is absurd.
Thus, the following two options are presented to the community:
- Recognition that the feat is significantly less impressive than you act like, or
- Recognition that Revan is vastly more powerful than you give him credit for.
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Last edited by Jaggarath on Nov 2nd, 2016 at 08:41 PM
Honestly I'd forgotten that the protags ship was guided to Rishii, seemingly by the Force itself, which certainly does strike me as impressive, unprecedented even, if true.
This certainly is an impressive display of power, given, as you say, that Revan wasn't even intentionally doing all of this.
Revan's parity with the likes of Sheev and Lumpyhead is becoming more apparent by the day.
Now that that's out of the way let's get to dismantling this.
Context for the first quote and its relation to Revan please.
Beniko notes that the thing she's feeling in the Force "exists everywhere and nowhere." Not the Force itself.
The third quote notes that the disturbance is growing larger not that an imbalance is occurring.
"- Revan's presence in the Force unbalanced it like it never had been before"
Since nowhere do the quotes you provide prove an unbalancing we can only say that his presence affected the Force in a manner it had never been effected before. And that's only if you provide the context that it was reffering to Revan.
"- Many individuals made note of this, with some fearing it was affecting their mind"
Beniko feared that if she was wrong about what she was sensing that it could be a symtom of an unwell mind. Not that Revan's presence would affect her mind.
"- The Force took action against Revan, guiding the protagonist to confront Revan in battle"
Nowhere is this indicated. Sidious was still able to have visions of the future despite his actions causing a disturbance or inbalance in the Force. Just because the protagonist had a vision of Revan doesn't mean it was the will of the Force for said vision to have occured. Not in the manner you're implying.
The rest doesn't need to be addressed until you can prove that Revan's presence caused an imbalance that the Force itself responded to.
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You sure he won't do it via the proxy of Hahr?
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It's by Spindrall, remarking how he feels about the Force. He then states that they'll confront Revan on Yavin IV, but will fail to stop Revan's plans.
The relation to Revan is established in the Rakata Prime flashpoint, in which the disturbance felt is stated to be Revan.
Uh, yeah, that's what I said. "It" (in reference to my original post) being Revan's disturbance.
A disturbance in the Force that stretches across the galaxy, is maintained over the course of several months, and affects the tapestry of the Force itself, is an unbalancing, lol.
The entire concept of a disturbance of the Force is a temporarily unbalancing of the Force, generally in a specific area, but can sometimes briefly extend across the galaxy (ex. the destruction of Alderaan).
No, she feared that the disturbance of the Force (i.e. Revan) may be why she's unwell and not thinking straight.
You never even played the game. Why are you telling me what's indicated and not indicated? Again:
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Following Darth Maul's ritual by Mother Talzin, I recall a disturbance in the Force that rippled across the galaxy, and then it receded, like the Alderaan destruction.
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Nov 2nd, 2016 08:37 PM
