Palpatine has been stated to have ultimately gotten the better of Yoda across multiple sources...
The SW Databank states- "Darth Sidious overwhelmed Yoda with the destructive energy of the dark side, and the Jedi Master fled Coruscant.": https://i.imgur.com/7nzC07o.jpg
Jedi vs. Sith (2016) initially states that the two were "equally fierce", but then goes on to state- "[Yoda] realized that he could not defeat Sidious this time.": https://i.imgur.com/uPJC8WH.jpg
The updated Character Encyclopedia (2016) states- "Even the diminutive Jedi's amazing strength and speed, however, are not a match for the devastating fury of a Sith Lord.": https://i.imgur.com/FbL07II.jpg
Ultimate Star Wars (2019) states- "The full power of the light side and the dark side of the Force is on display during Yoda's clash with Emperor Palpatine. Outmatched, Yoda retreats...": https://i.imgur.com/MAGKmAL.jpg
And Yoda's timeline in Ultimate Star Wars (2019) states- "Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses, and barely escapes with his life.": https://i.imgur.com/tfBV1KG.jpg
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Last edited by Galan007 on May 14th, 2020 at 06:16 PM
ok but location plays a factor; Sidious was at a disadvantage in sabers because the tight space they fought in (chancellors pod) allowed zero movement for Sidious.
Conversely, Yoda was at a disadvantage in their Force battle because of his size, he couldn't quite get to Palpatine and he was constantly on the low ground, even them being blown apart at the very end, Yoda flew further based on his size.
Id love to see a fight between the two of them on neutral ground, someplace like the Geonosian Arena then wed get to see who's better because honestly, as of ep 3 they are so close in all aspects that it came down to terrain as a deciding factor in their actual duel
Does location play a factor? I don't know if that was really on Lucas' mind when he wrote that scene. I mean, we see Palpy hurling pods like a madman, when Yoda puts all his concentration on throwing one.
Sidious was throwing downward with the aid of gravity. Yoda stopped the downwards force of one and spun it(Sidious wasn't) upwards against gravity with accuracy to the point Sidious was like OH SH!T!!!
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I never understood why Yoda left. He was at the very least equal if not slightly stronger. He had nothing left to lose, so why run? I think he could have possible defeated Siddy
The disparity between them wasn't vast(in both areas), but it was enough.
"OH ****!!!" looks of surprise are ambiguous, and certainly do not imply inferiority.
...Especially given the abundance of canon evidence saying the exact opposite.
I mean, Yoda went into the battle fully prepared to kill Palpatine: "Destroy the Sith, we MUST" -- but he ultimately fled because he knew he couldn't win. If/when Yoda had died trying to defeat Palpatine, it would have crippled the Jedi Order even more, and pretty much guaranteed that they would never rise again.
In canon, almost every possible source indicates that Yoda was "overwhelmed by" Palpatine, "could not defeat" Palpatine, was "not a match for" Palpatine, and "lost to" Palpatine.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 6th, 2020 at 11:49 AM
I'm unsure how Galaxy of Adventures even contradicts the film, tbh?
In the film, it is never shown, stated, or implied that Yoda disarmed Palpatine in sabers -- that *only* happened in the original RotS script and junior novel(which is, ironically, contradicted by the proper RotS novelization.)
Galaxy of Adventures(which IS canon, like it or not) simply presents the idea that Yoda may not have disarmed Palpatine at all. Palpatine could have simply chosen to put his saber away, in favor of using his superior Force power against Yoda instead. This notion is further cemented by GoA outright stating that Palpatine WAS able to defeat Yoda in a lightsaber duel... Along with the numerous canon sources flatly stating that Palpatine was >.
I don't get why you'd just... Ignore all of that?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 6th, 2020 at 06:50 PM
But given the [canon] info we have, is it not possible that Palpatine chose to sheathe his saber in between the film's prolonged cut-scenes, in order to attack Yoda with the Force instead?
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Last edited by Galan007 on Apr 6th, 2020 at 06:51 PM
Sidious tossed three above his head, against gravity.
Yoda spent most of the TK match trying not to get crushed, even losing his balance in the process. Yoda was only able to counter attack while Sidious was busy laughing and underestimating him.
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Sidious had the high ground and was throwing the pods downwards. Yoda caught one stopping the downwards force and put some stank on it and sent it directly upwards at Palpatine making him relocate to a safer position. I don't see a force disparity there.
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