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Jack/Liz on the pearl..a sort of marriage?
I know this may be a bit crazy. But was that scene on the pearl a kind of marriage between the two characters...before you call me crazy I'm gonna back what I say up of course.
1. On the Hero's 12 steps Jack is at step 9 during this scene I think and this scene would suggest that its a sort of sacred marriage between the two... a sacred marriage in a movie can be a real marriage or just a scene that suggests the two are bound together forever
2. The curiosity scene.. the discussion turns to marriage..for them to ever be together they have to both be with each other on their own terms..sort of like wedding vows...Liz wants Jack to be the good man..he does by the end, Jack wants Liz to be a pirate, she does by the end
"I always knew you were a good man" - Liz
"pirate" - Jack
She says "I do" by going in to almost kiss him again..in the commentary this is her having to admit she has a desire to be with Jack
he says his "I do" with the look of desire in his eyes and the word "pirate"..THEN she runs..(calypso??)
3. The line " A lady widowed before marriage. Searching for her husband lost at sea"
The definition of the word Widow:
"a woman who has lost her husband by death and has not remarried."
So Liz cant even be a widow before marriage to Will unless she was married to someone else before hand
and who is lost at sea to her and dead at the end? It sure as hell aint Will.
so even she marries Will in AWE..Is she really married to Jack first anyway? Is he the one she will ultimately remain faithful to..because I'm pretty sure she's not as cold hearted as Calypso..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:37 PM
Wow, that's a very interesting theory....I think you might be on to something about Jack and Liz being bound to each other. I think they are and they always will be. Bound together by Fate or something like that...
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she's not as cold hearted as calypso..when she leaves him in DMC...all she wants is to bring him back..because he IS a good man..he's a good man that she loves..and in no way is she willing to let this good, honest man be gone from the world forever.
Calypso let Davy and the good man he once was be gone and remain gone it seems
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 17th, 2006 at 06:57 PM
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she's the one who left Davy Jones and he cut his heart out..
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Here's a greater explanation of the sacred marriage..its interesting because of something that apparently happens to Jack in his purgatory..which I cant really discuss..but it suggests that he needs Liz to make him complete IMO:
Also here is something else that happens once the hero faces his supreme ordeal the sacred marriage happens after this usually. Before the sacred marriage there is Apotheosis:
we saw that when Jack came back after his black moment of leaving them all on the pearl..that was the moment where everyone thought Jack as a character had died on them..he comes back and is like a god even with a halo of light there..we then see him fight the kraken with the gun and with the sword
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 17th, 2006 at 09:35 PM
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T&T SAID WHAT?!!?!?!?!?!
__________________ He smiles and whispers her true nature; pirate.
She doesn't drink, tears sting in her eyes. His face when she left, walked out of his life. This is not my pic, it belongs to Kalin from KTTC. All hail Kalin and her wonderful picture making ways.
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AWE is not going to follow the hero's steps?! NO, impossible.
But...that would just shatter alot of our theories, Jack's already gone through most of it, why would they not use it.
__________________ He smiles and whispers her true nature; pirate.
She doesn't drink, tears sting in her eyes. His face when she left, walked out of his life. This is not my pic, it belongs to Kalin from KTTC. All hail Kalin and her wonderful picture making ways.
They really did say that, sorry. I remember it so clearly because the hero's journey has been discussed here at length and I was pretty surprised to read they are not going to follow the traditional steps.
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Ok I apologize before hand, if this sounds rude
But are TnT dumb? Did they went to school to take writing classes???
There's always a hero in a movie and that hero always has to have a journey, the hero always fights for something there is always a main goal that the hero has to accomplish in a movie. I'm sorry but this sounds stupid. Are they retarded. I just cant believe they said that.
By the way Lovely I always enjoy reading your posts. I love them
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well its not even a Hero's journey..its just the basic structure of a story..they are bein silly saying that..all characters face a supreme ordeal..Will hasn't yet and I bet he does..I dont think Liz has
they must be following it because they have also said they are splitting the two movies into the 3 acts..and these 3 acts tie in with the typical steps..
I think he might mean no hero as in the noble hero..well he's right its a pirate movie..they all are anti-heros...people who's motives are often for the greater good yet their means to achieve them are against the morals of society
He also said by the end of movie 3 the hero has to win and that the hero smiles in each act...so this is based on heros (anti-heros)
and it also suggests that Jack is their hero not Will..Jack smiles in every act of movie 1..he's smiled in DMC in act 1 and 2 all thats left is act 3
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 17th, 2006 at 11:26 PM
have TnT deffinately stated that they have made one character a 'hero'?
for some reason i get the feeling that there are no no 'heros' in these films...just 'ordinary' peple being taken on journeys that test their strengths and weaknesses...
Technically they are their own hero's...
...and i realise im officially talking crap...so i shall shut up now lol
I got the feeling that TnT were specifically talking about the concept of the "hero's journey" and the steps we're all familiar with, not about whether there's a hero or not.
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LOL if thats the case they must be insane...this is a blockbuster not a independent movie where they can mess around with what people are familiar with..if they mess around with it there is a large chance that AWE will flop spectacularly...
movie 2/3 are one story spilt into 2 movies..they are half way through and they are just gonna stop with the steps?
maybe not..maybe 3 is separate from DMC??
confused!
AWE is just gonna confuse the hell out of people if they don't follow those steps in some way..
well people never really follow them to a tee, often things get jumbled but they are insane to mess with a typical structure of a story..if its a blockbuster.
this is Will's story so maybe thy are not really making him follow the steps properly and are going to bend the rules a little bit when it comes to the ending.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Nov 17th, 2006 at 11:39 PM