The Phoenix Force has been reconned with this whole multiversal shit but if any of you read the Abraxas saga EVERY cosmic entity is multiversal from Eternity down to Galactus and even down to most every single person and entity few if any variations happen between the universes of the MU Eternity is the whole of the universe while I belive If He was destroyed The PF would live to create a new one does that make it more powerful perhaps depending on how long it would take to recreate the multiverse and the like.
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I'm going to shock everyone and give this to Phoenix, basically cause I have never enjoyed the Spectre, "The spiritof Vengence" bit leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Phoenix force is one of the few cool conceptsat marvel, hence I never really argue against it
Well go to the Phoenix Vs IG thread and read all of the posts and you will see why phoenix could win this. Its silly to assume that Spectre full power equals Presence. That slike saying Juggs full power equals Cytorrak. It just doesnt worl like that. Prsence isnt going to give anyone his full absolute power. In Marvel TOAA has an aspect which is the primal force of creation. It is this that joined with Jean creating the phoenix. The phoenix isnt a separate cosmic entity unto itself. This primal force of craetion however is still clearly stated to be second to TOAA. Its hard to do such high tier cosmic battles like this and its boring
I'd say a more logical pairing would be Spectre against a White Phoenix of the Crown.The phoenixes "burn away what doesnt work" and are implicitly likened to angels (the Seraphim),so in some ways have a function roughly similar to the spectre.
The Phoenix Force is more like the Source,it doesn not act itself.
We've never seen either at full power.We dont know whether both can be allowed to be at full power outside their Multiverse.If the phoenix is related to the Crown (which is another name of God,like Source or Presence) this means that there is only one God which acts in different ways in different multiverses,or different aspects of God each presiding its own Multiverse?
Spectre's powered directly from the Presence, his power constantly changes based on the Presence. So his full power would be equal to that of the Presence... Presence wouldn't do that, but it says full powered...
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It does indeed say full powered but its just speculation saying that Spectres full power is Presence. You have to go by the characters strongest showing otherwise this thread is pointless. Its just gonna come down to a Presence Vs TOAA. Juggs full power isnt Cytorraks full power. It just doesnt work like that im afraid.
I'd say its logic that says the Full Potential of Spectre is equal to that of the Presence... Spectre draws his power directly from the Presence, so logic would say he can draw all of it, if the Presence so wills. Not saying he would, but he could...
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No that is not logical. Full potential Spectre would never be given the full power of God. Presence equips him with the resources needed to defeat foes. It doesnt mean that he has to be more powerful than them. Of course there would be an upper limit to the amount of power Presence would bestow on Spectre. Its common sense. The Prsence would always hold something back as a precaution. If it gave Spectre all its power whats to stop Spectre from rebelling? Its just speculation that full power Spectre equals presence in power.
Ok, Presence gives Spectre all his power -1... No limits displayed on the Spectre so far. And you're right, the Presence gives him all the power needed for him to do his job. Now his job is to destroy the PF...
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If there power is infinite it can give him as much as much power as it wants it will still have an infinite amount left Thats the ironic thing about infinity its infinite
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Dizzle did you not read my posts? That is going to just turn this into a Presence Vs TOAA thread as you would know if youre up to date with your phoenix stuff. Check out the IG Vs Highest phoenix avatar thread and enlighten yourself.
As it stands this can only be judged by mentioning their highest feats in the comics. Otherwise its going to reach a dead end because we will hav to pit the supreme beings behind the powers against each other and that is lame and you can only come up with a draw as the answer because TOAA is Marvels interpretation of God just like DC's is Presence. One can only assume theyre equal.
Since when has PF been proven to be God? We know Spectre's power comes from the Presence. If TOAA is indeed equal to the Presence, and PF is below TOAA, then Spectre still wins.
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The Presance has supposidly created entites in the past to be as powerful as He supposidly both Archangel Micheal and Lucifer Morningstar have been said to be equal to The Presance of course They both have to work together, Lucifer was going to The Presance's successor and The Dark Beast although not created by The Presance is as powerful as The Presance.
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Full Power DCU Spectre vs. Phoenix Force
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