Savage Hulk and Classic Juggernaut vs. The Fantastic Four and X-Men
can Fantastic 4 and X-Men stop the nearly irresistible force of both ... Classic Juggernaut and Savage Hulk
i believe they can only beeing stopped with the brain of Prof. Xavier and Reed Richards... because i see now powerhouse to can match with those behemoths.... sorry... but Colossus and Thing are to weak in my opinion to contend seriously with Juggy and Hulk
but if not with physical power.... i believe the two teams combined... can took them out.... but if Hulk wents crazy and get so angry like never before.... i believe there is no power in the world who can stop him !
but olympian... the question is.... do Hulk allow this ? i mean.. when they work as a team... they has to support each other.... and if the two work as a team ( i know.. this never happen... ok i know it happened before.. but not really.. ) ... if they work as a team.... tell me an individual or a team on earth ...that can compete with Hulk and Juggs ?
I know the nature of hulks psyche makes him resistant to telepathy but resistance doesnt equal immunity. He still got owned by Onslaught. If everyone was being ruthless then the FF and Xmen certainly stand a better chance of winning
Storm has temporarily killed hulk while being ruthless. Xavier made hulk his b*tch. The Xmen always deal with Juggs.
A roster hasnt been listed for the xmen therefore its the assumption that its all of them on the planet. Juggs and hulk get taken down, but not without some casualties.
I would say alot of casualties you can't take this as a one on one breakdown because they are a team that means that they will be working together meaning that sperate these guys are always trouble toghter and you have many hetos having to sacrifice their life.
I think a ruthless FF r pretty unstoppable...considering that IW and HT could probably destroy the planet between the two of them. Having the X-men to provide some telepathic muscle means a blinded Jugs has no hope considering he will be trying to shake off Colossus and the Thing. Torch hits the Hulk with a Nova Blast while IW simultaneously causes invisible explosions within all his organs.
If you think thats all it would take to KO these guys you are mistaken my friend. Juggs has KOed Colossus in one Punch Thing in three. Hulk has a mad Healing factor better than Wolverine. This is no easy fight for any team going against them. Pus ifthese guys aren't fooling around like they normally do then this is one bad duo. Normally Juggs is so single minded in what he does if you get in his way he throws you outta of the way and lets you recuperate it's almost the same with Hulk. Toghter these guys could take out most of the X-Men no trouble. Espically if they were working as a team. Hulk uses a Thunder clap to take out most of the Air Born enemies and Juggs slams his fist into the ground causing a huge earthquake half of the team would be gone then.
yea but Hulk Jugs r not too heavy considering the people the FF regularly fight. Jugs and Hulk cant knock out anything if IW makes their retenas invisble and blinds them.
And Hulk will really have trouble with a serious Nova blast from the torch: Byrne wrote the Torch flying through the planet mars, and Blasting a Nova blast into the center of Earth's core from the surface and increasing the diameter of the Earth and matching the output of a star on multiple occasions; DeFalco wrote the Torch unloading enough Flame to destroy a hemisphere on the Celestial Exitar, and going nova in Galactus' face caused Galactus to call the Torch deadly right before he killed him. I know the torch has been beaten with stron wind, a sprinkler, and fire extinguisher in Spiderman and X-men cross overs but if u actually read him in good issues of FF with good writers he's pretty tough.
The Thing has been knocked out by Juggernaut after fighting 99 other villains in an issue of the wretched Secret Wars II title, but in his own comics he's beaten the Hulk, Blackbolt, Terrax, Wrecker, The Destroyer, Blastaar, Wonderman, She-Hulk, several members of the Shi'ar guard, Paibok, Namor etc. He's survived fights with Thanos, the Champion, Occulus, Anihulus, Dr Doom and his cosmic incarnations, Gladiator, the Beyonder, Silver Surfer, Thor, the Oblitorator, etc.
The FF can take away Jug's helmet. No matter how many X-men get ko'd from any initial blast from Jugs and Hulk making shockwaves, all they need is for Sue's shield to protect one of them and they can handle Jugs. Then like i said, i dont think Hulk could survive a ruthless attack from both the Torch and Sue.
The Hulk has been described as taking planet destroying shots and hit with lasers that should cut adamantite a Nova Blast will hurt him but it will only make him madder the same with Sue. Separately these teams could very well succeed without heavy loses but together and working as a team and well written themselves these guys aren't going down easily. Also if you wanna talk durability Juggs is above Hulk so the Nova Blast won't hurt him. These guys together working as a team is down right scary when you think of what they've done solo. That's what I'm getting at this is no cake walk these guys are dangerous and very well could beat them all. and the Thunder/earthquake combo was just one thing. These guys could probably think of some bigger ways to do damage. Like throwing entire building's at these fools each one throwing there own one. Eventually Sue is gonna tire and the Human torch isn't really gonna do anything to these guys. If they are even gonna have a chance at this team it is gonna require a massive plan with excellent execution to beat these guys.
Hulk and Jugs have not demonstrated they can acheive the kind of force that can break Sues field ie the only time it has been broken by a full blast from Doom with Watcher cosmic power.
I didnt say that the Torch would use nova flame on Jug. I said he would use it on Hulk, whom it would most certainly harm, Like I said, he has blasted straight to the center of the Earth and expanded it, written by Byrne. Thing and Colossus and company can get Jug's helmet off. A telepath can do the rest, or Reed can use some kind of neuro dislocator like Doom and Nimrod have used in the past to paralize Juggernaut.
Yeah but the thing is even used on Hulk he's gonna heal up real fast and that is only going to make him madder and stronger. Plus working together these guys probably won't have anyboby get close like Colossus or Thing. Plus I never said they would break sue's shield but haveing to have that shield is gonna to tire her fast plus she is probably gonna have to cover the whole team for awhile until she gets exausted. Then Sonic Claps and earthquakes are gonna really mess these guys up. Plus Juggs doesn't tire Hulk can go one for weeks from what I've seen so these guys are gonna be able to keep the up the attack for awhile. Plus Juggs has a force field of his own and once it's up no known force on Earth has ever been able to penetrate it. So this isn't as easy as you think plus they're working together so it isn't as easy as saying this is gonna happen to this one and this is gonna happen to the other because the other is gonna make sure that doesn't happen.
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