The thing is, did The End actually say it was gods power? I dont remember reading that. Its power never affected anything but one universe as was clearly shown so who's to say? When you say True Beyonder do you mean Pre retcon Beyonder or the race of true beyonders? If the latter, we dont know anything about them to debate on them.
I think he means the original Beyonder (SW I and II).
In SW II, the Living Tribunal was scared of the Beyonder. So were the Celestials.
__________________ The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
They have multiversal counterparts. They are however not multiversal in the sense that there are only one of them in the whole multiverse. If one of these abstracts dies in a universe then while the effects of that death may indeed be felt across the multiverse by their counterparts it wouldnt result in the absence of what that abstract was representing in any other universe but their own.
Thanos absorbed and therefore dispatched the abstracts of the 616 reality however the power was presumably potent enough to represent a threat to other realities which was why LT got involved.
Pre retcon Beyonder also claimed to be above all but that doesnt mean he exceeds TOAA in power.
No it does not mean he was the LT because LT was not all. If he was all he would have been a multiverse and wouldnt have been afraid of Beyonder and he wouldnt get humbled by Phoenix.
HOTU was greater than LT for it to do that to him.
You said that HOTU was all meaning that he was LT.
I took that as you were saying LT was all as most people would. KG has my tutoring been to no avail? *sigh*. Disappointingly it seems it must continue.
You actually meant that because it was all that it was also LT as well. OK i get ya now. Well thats debatable because that could have been hyperbole because he certainly never showed any powers that extended beyond one reality when he had HOTU. But either way i wont argue cos you're a buddy and i hate embarassing you so.
Well as Beyonder claimed to be another multiverse embodied and because he not only had LT scared but went on to display greater feats and showed he had the power to dispatch the abstracts just like Thanos did, I would go with Pre-ret Beyonder. Also the abstracts were to scared to actually engage Beyonder in a physical confrontation, yet they didnt hesistate with Thanos so that sways me.
Ok but LT was ctually scared of Beyonder whereas he fought Thanos without hesitation.
Chaos and Order are universal abstracts KG who exist at the nexus point of a reality. The point where it connects to another universe. They are universal abstracts with multiversal counterparts. So LT was all you needed mate
Either way Pre-ret Beyonders still more impressive
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