I'm not a big Blade fan... He's definitely got a physical edge over Drizzt, but that's never stopped him before, now has it? I don't really have an accurate scope of where Blade's at though... If he's really godly, he'll probably take it, but it's really really hard to outskill Drizzt.
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Drizz't is an amazing fighter and would run circles around blade....he has years of fighting experience on blade and would rival marvels best hand to hand combatants for pure skill...no to mention he has magical goodies to help him out.....
There seems to be some confusion about Drizzt. Hopefully I can provide a decent "bio."
He's got some magical do-hickeys to aid him (like speed-enhancing ankle bracers) but he's basically peak human agility, and moderate strength (he's not known for strength, just his speed). He fights with two scimitars, and very few outside of those with supernatural help and/or millenia of experience (nods to Laminator) will beat him in a heads-up sword fight. His reflexes, instincts, fighting ability, and experience are on par with anyone in a comic universe.
Much as Blade might enjoy the night, he'd drop a globe of darkness around him (that infravision can't penetrate) and hit him 10 times before he knew hat was going on (Drizzt enjoys fighting in complete darkness, just letting his instincts and other senses guide him). And if we allow everything about Drizzt, a 600 pound magically summoned panther would be dropping onto Blade during the fight as well.
There's no reason whatsoever to assume that Drizzt is more skillful than Blade. Blade could even be more skillful than Drizzt, for all we really know. The fact that Drizzt uses two swords at once doesn't cut it, either -- that style of fighting is not automatically BETTER; it's just different. Both display incredible skill. If anything, I can't help wondering how Drizzt would react when Blade started mixing modern martial-arts techniques in with the swordplay, but it really doesn't matter anyway because whatever negligible skill difference there may be, it isn't going to save Drizzt even if he's the more skillful fighter after all. Here's why:
Drizzt, being peak-dark elf in speed/agility, is slightly above peak human in that category. Blade is WELL above it. Drizzt's speed-enhancing bracers MIGHT enable him to keep up.
Drizzt, being elven, is slightly handicapped in durability. However, he's unusually tough for an elf, so he's a little bit above human average. Blade is WELL above peak human.
Drizzt is a little stronger than the average human. Blade is WELL above peak human.
To put it into perspective, Blade as a D&D character would probably have something like all 30s (or so -- maybe more) in strength, dexterity and constitution. He'd be a FORCE OF NATURE if he were dropped into Faerun and would very quickly become famous for his exploits. He's stronger than Drizzt ... MUCH stronger. He's tougher than Drizzt ... MUCH tougher. He's AT LEAST as fast as Drizzt WHILE Drizzt is using his speed bracers, if not faster still. Drizzt has NOTHING on Blade save a puny immobile (and it IS immobile, folks, and can easily be moved out of) globe of darkness that Blade could probably fight inside of as well as Drizzt anyway.
And if Drizzt gets to start extra weapons (like that globe and his panther Gwenhwyvar) outside of just his sword, then Blade can start using HIS extra weapons ... and you just DON'T want to go there, man.
Drizzt is awesome, don't get me wrong, but Blade is like Drizzt with superpowers. And this fight's going to be Blade about 8-9/10.
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Nah, not a chance. Blade is used to battling vampires. Drizzt is used to battling EVERYTHING. Drizzt would tear Blade apart.
Everything Orestes said should be turned around. I don't mean that Drizzt is stronger, or more invulnerable, what I mean is all these abilities would do would be to let Blade keep up a little bit longer. The only advantage I see Blade having, is that he is stronger than Drizzt, which counts for exactly SQUAT when it comes to a sword fight.
All Blade's abilities, like speed, strength and endurance, would do, is to make the fight last a little bit longer. Maybe.
I wouldn't even make it Drizzt wins 8/10. I would make it Drizzt takes it 9/10, and the only reason I would give Blade a win, is because as we all know, anything could happen, Thor could be flying over and let Mjolnir drop because he is drunk and it might fall on Drizzt.
Blade is good, especially against vampires and mortals.
Strength doesn't mean squat in a swordfight, huh? Yeah, okay.
Anyway, getting back to reality for a moment ... so what if Drizzt fights "everything"? He comes from a world that HAS all of those things! Blade fights the best his world has to offer, which includes some beasties Drizzt would need help fighting (like the super-vampire at the end of Blade II -- no way Drizzt could fight him solo and live). Drizzt is WAAAY overrated, basically because he "looks cool" with his twin scimitars. He really ain't all that.
Actually, his D&D build is kind of weak for his level ...
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
He wasn't fighting someone who is also MUCH faster and MUCH tougher, as well as being probably about as skilled. Additionally, if he gets his panther, then Blade gets his guns. And then Drizzt is REALLY screwed.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
I don't really think he'd be phased. Read Homeland and see what Zaknafein is capable of. And by the end of the book, Drizzt is better than him . Mixing modern martial arts skills with swordplay. Well whoop-dee-doo. How much good does that do when you can;t even connect your hits?
Given his NPC stats, yeah, Drizzt is barely above peak human. However, that's crap. Seriously. If while still a teenager (by human standards) he tosses up 5 coins on each hand into the air at the same time and catches them all before they reach the ground.......and after years of experience.....come on.....you know that's crap
You do realize he's fought PLENTY of above-peak-human creatures right? Like......i dunno.....Hook Horrors when he wasn't even done with school yet ......or......maybe dragons . I doubt Blade can say the same thing.
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Oh PLEASE . Check for vampire templates. Then check for vampire lord templates. Then check for half-vampire template. You'll start crying. Let me be nice and give you the half vampire template so you understand: it gets str: +2, Dex: +2, Cha: +2. I'll post the entire thing at the end of the post.
He'd really not be . First priest of Lathander would probably destroy him without even listening to what he has to say. he is indeed stronger. He is indeed tougher. Except for a little thing called rage that gets Drizzt to Str 17 and Con 19. Granted, he probably wouldn't use it too much for fear of being fatigued . I think you're exaggerating with Blade being faster than Drizzt while Drizzt has his braces of speed......seriously. Come on......seriously. The guy has defeated dragons, he's insulted fiends, he's defied AND insulted Lolth pretty much every day of his life, he's fought and defeated the best Assassin in Faerun. Blade has indeed fought lots of vampires though
The globe is an innate ability. Taking it away is like taking away Blade's speed or strength. He doesn't go anywhere without Twinkle and Icingdeath. And Guenhwyvar (proper spelling) is basically involved in every fight so.....but anyway, even without Guen...
You really underestimate Drizzt, and take his stats a bit too much at heart.
Anyway, here's the whole scoop on that half vampire template so you know what Blade would be like:
Katane
(a child who has a Vampire
as one of its parents)
(DR313 p64)
Pale & slender, black
hair, pronounced
canine teeth, &
slightly pointed ears
Inherited Template
that can be added to
any Humanoid,
Giant, or Monstrous
Humanoid.
Often Chaotic Evil
Darkvision 60?
Immune to energy drains
attacks & the Domination
power of Vampires.
+2 Racial bonus on saves vs.
Fear, Poison, Disease,
Paralysis, & spells from the
Necromancy school.
+4 Racial bonus on Bluff,
Hide, Listen, Move Silently,
& Spot checks.
Gain Improved Initiative feat.
Cold Resistance 5.
Electricity Resistance 5.
Damage Reduction 5 / silver
Str +2
Dex +2
Cha +2
Level Adjustment +4
CR +1
When it dies, there is a 3% per HD chance the Katane will rise as
a Vampire.
Spells such as Detect Undead will detect a Katane as if it were an
Undead of half its HD.
Fortification ? there is a 50% chance that any Sneak Attack and/or
Critical Hit on the Katane will be negated. Does not stack with
other forms of Fortification.
When saving against Negative Energy damage (such as from an
Inflict Wounds spell), the Katane takes no damage on a
successful save and half damage on a failed save.
Slow Aging ? the Katane ages at ¼ th normal rate after it reaches
maturity.
A Katane Cleric receives a +2 bonus to Turn or Rebuke Vampires.
Takes 1d4 damage from a direct hit of Holy Water.
Vulnerability to Turning ? A turning attempt that would Turn or
Rebuke an Undead of half the Katane?s HD causes the Katane to
receive a ?4 penalty on attacks, saves, skill checks, & ability
checks until the ?turner? attacks the Katane, up to 10 rounds. If
the attempt would have Destroyed or Commanded the Katane, it
is Stunned for 2d4 rounds.
If it has pinned a foe, the Katane can drink its blood, causing 1d4
Constitution Drain per round & gaining 5 Temporary HP.
Blood Hunger ? if the Katane has not drunk blood for 3 days, it
must start making Will saves vs. DC 15 every day. When it fails,
it has until the next sunrise to drink blood or he/she will take a
cumulative ?1 Morale penalty each day to attacks, checks, and
saves until blood is drunk.
Charm Person, Charisma modifier times per day (min 1) at
Character level. DC is Charisma-based.
Spider Climb, at will.
Light Sensitivity ? Dazzled by bright sunlight or within the radius
of a Daylight spell.
Can sense Vampire, Vampire Spawn, Katane, & other Undead
who feed on blood within 200?.
For a +4 Level adjustment, this template is INCREDIBLY weak. It's also the only one out there, and the one that's best suited for Blade.
If you're still not convinced, i'm gonna have to start making even longer posts about his feats. And we can compare his feats with Blade's feats....
Unlike Drizzt, however, Blade doesn't conform to and does not come FROM D&D reality ... now does he?
In Blade II, we see his head smack a pillar with enough force to knock a large chunk out of it. That dazed him a little. Had that been Drizzt's head, his skull would have exploded like an overripe grape.
That's just ONE example of his durability, which so far exceeds Drizzt's that the two can hardly be compared.
In the first movie, we see Deacon Front sidestep a BULLET on OPEN GROUND ... AFTER IT IS FIRED. He doesn't dodge the shooter -- he dodges. THE BULLET. Blade is still both faster and better than Frost.
That's just ONE example of his speed, which again far exceeds Drizzt's.
Blade is not D&D's idea of a half-vampire. He's on a whole other level entirely.
Furthermore, I say again: if magic tricks are allowed, then guns are allowed. It's either "swords only," or it isn't. Arguing that "Drizzt doesn't go anywhere without" something is silly because Blade never goes anywhere without a considerable arsenal of varied weapons. His sword is just one tool.
Edit: And again, quit trying to apply D&D stats to NON-D&D characters. Would you cite D&D's idea of a vampire when speaking of Lestat? How could you justify that, given how much more powerful Lestat is than that?
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Last edited by Orestes on Sep 27th, 2005 at 08:15 AM
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Drizzt's magic ability is INNATE, he is born with it. In the beginning he could even levitate, slightly, although he graduall lost that power. If you don't want Drizzt to be magical, the ability he is BORN with, then you should take away ALL Blade's powers.
And yes, Blade fights the best his world has to offer. But the best his world has to offer wouldn't last long in Drizzt's world.
Contradiction much? I was just replying to that portion of your post mon ami. And if you want us to ignore stats and go into feats, we shall, but alas, i have to go take a bath, i have some classes to teach and then when i get back we can proceed. Okay?
ps: oh come on.....the banging head on wall thing??? you mean when his FARKING SUNGLASSES WEREN'T EVEN SCRATCHED???? yeah......that was a good one . Comments in movie theater at the time: "Damn......i wanna get me one of those pair of glasses"
Well, I was trying to give some perspective on how completely outside of Drizzt's level Blade really is. The point again remains: Blade took a hit that would kill any human being (and especially dark elf, as dark elves are actually less resilient than humans), and it only dazed him a little. Not even Captain America could take a hit like that, simply because a human skull can't. It would cave in.
And, again, there's the whole "able to dodge a bullet on open ground after it's been fired" thing. So yeah, if you converted Blade to D&D stats, he'd have to be in the 30s or so (30 is right around air elemental level, and that sounds about right for Blade's speed).
Blade would be a good match for an ANIME swordsman like Gutts of Berserk or Gourry of Slayers (either of whom would mop the floor with Drizzt, as they're both superhuman themselves). Drizzt isn't in that league.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Last edited by Orestes on Sep 27th, 2005 at 08:35 AM
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PS We are not even talking about the time Drizzt regressed to a primitive level and turned into the Hunter. When he was in that state, Blade wouldn't have a prayer.
The only reason I think it would make an interesting fight, is because Drizzt like playing with his opponents, sometimes, just like Big Black. She frequently enjoys playing with her food. I think that's why they get along so well.
Sure, yeah, okay. Blade's a superhuman with arguably equivalent skill and training, but Drizzt is ... he's ... uh, he's Drizzt! He has white hair and pointy ears!!! And lavender eyes, man! Fear the eyes!!
Thing is, I've made my case. Your counter-arguments amount to, "Nu-uh! Drizzt is uber!" Which sounds a lot like a new Batman Almighty ...
You know, there needs to be a Drizzt vs. Batman vs. Wolverine vs. Spider-Man fight. Let's just get all of the most highly overrated characters out there on the battlefield together at once and see what their fans have to say.
Edit: And that "hunter" garbage was just a low-level barbarian rage. OR ... if you want to take it from a cinematic point of view, it's just a "bad***" moment for Drizzt, where you know he's about to go all postal on the bad guys. It's basically analagous to Blade putting on his sunglasses and looking all hardcore, with the difference being Blade is still superhuman, and Drizzt still simply is not.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Last edited by Orestes on Sep 27th, 2005 at 09:29 AM
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Sep 27th, 2005 02:25 AM
. Mixing modern martial arts skills with swordplay. Well whoop-dee-doo. How much good does that do when you can;t even connect your hits? 
. I doubt Blade can say the same thing. 
. Check for vampire templates. Then check for vampire lord templates. Then check for half-vampire template. You'll start crying. Let me be nice and give you the half vampire template so you understand: it gets str: +2, Dex: +2, Cha: +2. I'll post the entire thing at the end of the post. 
