Guess I'll be the one dissenting opinion once again. Elektra can throw down with freaking Wolverine toe-to-toe ... and win. She can sure as hell go toe-to-toe with Shiva. I'm not saying she'll automatically win, but saying she'd LOSE in two seconds flat is just stupid.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Gender: Male Location: Training for the Fanboy Olympics
Maybe not two seconds but in about 1 minute. Lady Shiva is the best martial artist in DCU(besides Karate Kid but then again whos better than him?). She can easily throw down Batman with little problem. She's beyond Electra. She has an arsenal of attacks that can easily incapacitate or even kill Electra.
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Shiva has lost to Batgirl and I believe also Batman now. She's about Batman's equal, perhaps ... but not really superior.
Cassandra Cain will eventually surpass her altogether if written properly, IMO ... but that's neither here nor there.
Elektra beats Wolverine. Wolverine is generally believed to be able to beat or at least stalemate Batman. Batman is at least equal to Shiva. So how is Shiva spanking Elektra like she's nothing?
*sniff, sniff*
I smell Batman/Shiva fanboys ...
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Gender: Male Location: Training for the Fanboy Olympics
no Batman isn't as good or even close to as good as a martial artist as Shiva. Shiva is better than Bats and roughly equal to Batgirl. Batgirl beat her and I know that somehow Batman did too but I do remember that there was some PIS and CIS in it. I think either she was severely weakened or she was mind controled.
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I said generally. Some people think Batman beats Wolverine, as you do. I personally think it's closer to a tie.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Somehow, Shiva always manages to be no better than Batman, though. Ditto with Cassie. I know I keep HEARING that they're better, but that doesn't seem to hold up in reality.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Comic-book reality. I think you're smart enough to understand what I meant, friend.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
Gender: Male Location: Training for the Fanboy Olympics
Batman himself ,who we all know would not say it if it was undeniably true, said that Cassandra Cain was waayyyy better than he was.
She is a better martial artist its just that he has all these gadgets. and even with them once when he was fighting her he only barely escaped (not won) because of his gadgets. He was getting pummelled.
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And in comic book reality, Shiva constantly loses. There must be some reason for this, hm what could it be...oh yeah! She's not good enough to beat Batman or Batgirl!
Gender: Male Location: Training for the Fanboy Olympics
Real name: Shiva Wu-San
Occupation: Martial artist
Base of Operations: Unknown
Marital Status: Single
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 135
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Black
First Appearance: RICHARD DRAGON, KUNG-FU FIGHTER #5 (DECEMBER-JANUARY 1975/1976)
In the history of martial arts, one name stands above all the rest: Shiva.
Lady Shiva Wu-San has devoted her entire life to the quest for perfection in the martial arts, traveling to every corner of the globe in pursuit of a new technique, a better opponent, another form.
This single-minded passion has led her to become the premier martial artist in the world. Not even Batman has successfully defeated her in solo hand-to-hand combat. In fact, there's only person to have ever beaten Shiva - Batgirl.
At their first meeting, Shiva could see that, at last, she had found someone to potentially rival herself. But she sensed something was keeping Batgirl from achieving her full potential. Shiva therefore agreed to help unlock that potential, for a price: Batgirl must then meet her in a battle to the death one year later.
Batgirl agreed to the fight and arrived at the proper time, not expecting to survive the encounter. Instead, she realized that Shiva also had a subliminal deathwish; it was this insight, along with her unsurpassed skill and physical prowess, which allowed Batgirl to triumph.
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Quoting a character profile as your argument makes baby Jesus cry.
__________________ "he could......if he needed too....hed juss make up lies about how one was talkin smack bout the other and then they would fight, and after they foughtit out....he would suck the other weakened one into a blackhole." - King KAN explaining how Batman could defeat Thanos and Galactus
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