I see what your saying but Runner apparently can do warp speed aswell which is faster than light speed. So what I need is examples of why Flashes speedforce would be faster than someone who can break the lightspeed barrier aswell.
Flash can apparently build up and continually get faster forever. He doesn't start anywhere near as fast as the Runner, who travels across galaxies in the time that it takes Moondragon to cry out in surprise. Flash has done CRAZY stuff with his speed, but his reactions and such haven't been shown to be on par with Runner off the bat. Dude is EASILY the fastest character in comics.
Except for the Batmobile, naturally.
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well that was just about everything I could have ever known about the Flash and the speedforce, it really is amazing, still I read everythingg and there was no known limit to his speed as there is none for Runner but considering aall the things that can be done with the speedforce most importantly time travel, I'll have to now lean towards the speedforce possibly being a greater energy source to use for speed than the Runner's cosmic gem.
But I have to add that I read on the Runner he's so fast that travels the universe laughing and kidding around cause he knows no one can touch him.
Anyone as fast as Surfer or Runner can time travel. It's pretty common.
Ok, let's say Flash and Runner were going to race.
They start at point A and the race ends at point Z, which is a million lightyears away, but in the middle is point O, which is when Flash enters the speedforce.
Runner would go from A to Z and back a few hundred thousand times before Flash took his first step, but....as soon as Flash hits the speed force, he will win the race.
but now we can get into semantics, yes, it would take flash longer to reach the time travel than runner, but once he was there, he could just move time backwards, theoretically negating the time he spent reaching that point.
the question is who can go back in time faster.... which is kinda impossible IMHO
Thats what I thought, but I dont think you can do that. Flash does not time travel because he travels faster thent he speed of light, Im pretty sure it is something about his connection with the speed force that allows him to do it. Flash has ran faster then the speed of light before and has not time traveled. Superman has also gone faster then the speed of light (with the help of Flash) and he didnt time travel. Also, there have been a few Marvel characters that have gone faster then the speed of light before and havnt time traveled like Silver Surfer and the Runner. Unless the Runner has actually time traveled before, i dont think you can assume he can time travel just because he goes faster then the speed of light.
someone had mentioned time travel before, to be honest im not overly familiar with these characters, so i was going with the people who had read the cannon
lol, ya, moving faster than the speed of light does not equal time travel
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runner isn't even the fastest being in marvel -- makari beat him by entering what appeared to be the mu's equivalent of the speedforce. mak claimed to have found the 'secret of fast'. or something close to that. if it truly is equivalent to the speedforce, and mak could beat him, flash certainly would. would flash beat mak . . .?
not sure about that one because to the best of my knowledge that place mak entered to reach that speed (marvel speedforce) hasn't been more developed in marvel so it's hard to know its limits.
I believe one other thing - The Runner, like Northstar, is not a true speedster. In the sense that they can reach enormous speeds, but it doesn't affect their natural reflexes. They don't do things like taking something apart or putting something together in a room - everyday tasks - as a blur in motion, like the Flash or Quicksilver.
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