place nice people threads like this are stuipd anyway how would the phoenix defeat all the uber powers in the DCU yes PF is just as strong as most but all combined
morningstar brothers
spectre
darkseid
gl corps
Ion
endless
etc etc
these are not in order of power by the way but the PF would be a good fight for all of these guys even greater then most but not greater then all.
Everybody that HOTU Thanos beat consuming LT,Celestials,Galactus etc etc the only who may be more powerful then LT is the Morningstar Brothers. But Thanos himself is below Skyfather level imagine somebody as powerful as The Phoenix Force using the HOTU plus the M'Kraan Crystal is very powerful to.
M'Kraan Crystal-In the fictional Marvel Comics Universe, the M'Kraan Crystal is an gigantic crystaline artifact that lies at the nexus of all realities. It is associated with the Shi'ar alien race. It plays a prominent role in several major storylines, including the Phoenix Saga and the Age of Apocalypse. As it is a singleton across all universes, the reality-hopping Exiles have recently figured out how to use it to visit selected realities. The Crystal also serves as a housing for an orb that contains a neutron galaxy.
They do call it universes yeah, but then, multiverses are just vibrational derivitaves of prime universes. Which Presence and Lucifer and Elaine all created.
Then there's really not much arguing now that in either case, as Elaine has herself has 3 'creations'.
We also know that Presence's universe was a multiverse until Spectre undid the work..
And then since has been reverted back into one.
Though I feel it's temporary.
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Feb 9th, 2006 01:32 PM
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