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Originally posted by Mr Master
This was done before but not like this, can Spidey win without his spidersense and web shooters?

I'm sure everyone knows how much of a bad ass dwarf Puck is.

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Originally posted by batdude123
Is this original Puck or the second Puck?

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Second Puck ofcourse, Classic wouldn't stand a chance

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well which Puck is this? because it's stated the classic Puck has reflexes rivaling that of Spider-Man

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Huh?.....Second Puck as female Puck stands a better chance than guy Puck?

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Originally posted by thesilverspider
Spidey wins he don't need webshooters to shoot webs...........

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Really?

I thought the upgrade was the best version of Puck?

Anyhow the better version of Puck will do, whichever that is.

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Puck
The original Puck had enhanced agility and superhuman strength rivaling that of Spider-Man. He was also a trained soldier and formidable hand-to-hand combatant. After a run in with The Master of the World, his body was altered and compressed resulting into his tissue became akin to compressed rubber. The stats are from The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe - Master Edition #1

Agility: One of the most agile characters in the Marvel universe, even rivaling that of Spider-Man. He has superhuman agility, significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body. Prior to getting his upgrade, his speed and agility rivaled that of a 6' foot athlete even in his dwarf state. With his agility he can bounce off various things like a hockey puck and even now with his upgrade can do this feat to a greater extent.

Bull Fighter: Before he became a dwarf, he was a famous bullfighter in Spain in 1930's. They even said Eugene was better than Maera himself. Even Ernest Hemmingway was watching him and was quite impressed with his skills.

Durability: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained metahuman durability. Which allows Puck to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures and concussions without sustaining injury. As he said he became invulnerable, due to Puck's tissues were condensed at a molecular level, causing his body to become akin to compressed rubber.

Experience: Puck is very old; he was a soldier of fortune in the early 1900s. He has traveled the world and experienced many cultures, battle many foes and learned from it all. His age almost rivals that of Wolverine, however, Puck's age keeps changing in the comics. He has been in many battles for instance on the opposing side against Black Widow in the Tonkin Gulf in 1967. Also Wolverine recognized his battle tactics in Maracaibo and even battled with Modred to stop the Brass Bishop into getting into the new Tower of Babel. He also fought with Wolverine and Ernest Hemingway in the Spanish Civil War.

Fake Death: An ability he learned in the Orient, where he can place himself in a temporary death-like trance state. This can fool most people leaving them open for an attack.

Fighting Skills: Puck is one of the most skilled fighters in the Marvel universe. He knows a mixture of various martial arts, street fighting techniques, acrobatics and gymnastics. He even has such skill that allows him to sneak up on Wolverine, as he said "Who...? You! Well, well, well. I shoulda known you'd be the only one who could sneak up on me like that." [Talking about Puck]

Intelligence: A very bright person even in the heat of battle has quoted Hamlet from time to time. In a battle with Atlanteans, he quoted. "Let the foils be brought the gentlemen willing, and the King hold his purpose, I will win for him if I can, if not, I will gain nothing but my shame and the odd hits!" He's a scholar and often reads works by Shakespeare and even in the past was friends with Ernest Hemmingway. Puck can also speak fluent Russian, Japanese, German and various other languages as well. He also has a great deal of knowledge about magic, folklore and magical rituals.

Reflexes: Even prior to his upgrade, Puck trained himself to be the best shape he could be and even had superhuman level reflexes, virtually instantaneous. He could act out many battle tactics in his head only in a fraction of a second and in the next heartbeat act.

Speed: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman speed. That's the ability to run 111-115 miles per hour

Stamina: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman stamina. That's the ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance up to a day.

Strength: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman strength. Prior to just being a dwarf he had peak human strength, but now he is Superhuman Class 10. That's the ability to press 2-10 tons.

Yoga: Trained by an old Hindu, named Dr.Srivinda, which allows Puck to slow his breathing and alter his body temperature. Even to the skill level being submerged into the freezing Arctic water for minutes without any problems at all. This was at the time when Puck hadn't had his upgrade yet.

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Puck II
The second Puck seems to have inherited some of his powers but to what degree is not clear. Her strength is at least enhanced beyond a level attainable by normal humans. She has experience in street fighting techniques. Stats are from Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Women 2005. "Zuzha possesses superhuman strength, speed, durability, agility, reflexes and endurance"

Agility: Must like her father, she is one of the most agile people in the Marvel universe. Just like her father she has been shown to bounce off various objects and the resulting impact destroys the target.

Durability: Puck II has enhanced durability, but it hasn't been proven if she has become bulletproof like her father [Puck I] or not.

Fighting Skills: She's an experienced fighter and is skilled hand-to-hand combatant, combining various martial arts with street fighting techniques, and is an Olympic-level gymnastic and acrobat. She even beat a Plodex clone of her father in hand-to-hand.

Speed: In the handbook they state she has superhuman speed, but in the graph that list her having normal speed. Which doesn't make much sense from the feats she has done. Superhuman speed is at the peak range of 700mph.

Spoke From the Womb: As odd as that sounds, Puck II had the ability speak from the womb and the reason why she could do this was never stated. It may have some magical connection to Raazer being in Puck I, or she may just be special all on her own.

Strength: Puck II like her father has superhuman strength, somewhere in between 800lbs-25 ton range. Her strength must be quite high up since she has been shown to damage even members of a Box army. Yet her full strength was never stated.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Classic Puck was a dwarf that had a demon in him. If he released it Razzar could beat Spider-Man

Classic Puck got an upgrade and this is his powerset:
[quote="King_Mungi"][b]Puck
The original Puck had enhanced agility and superhuman strength rivaling that of Spider-Man. He was also a trained soldier and formidable hand-to-hand combatant. After a run in with The Master of the World, his body was altered and compressed resulting into his tissue became akin to compressed rubber. The stats are from The Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe - Master Edition #1

Agility: One of the most agile characters in the Marvel universe, even rivaling that of Spider-Man. He has superhuman agility, significantly beyond the natural limits of the human body. Prior to getting his upgrade, his speed and agility rivaled that of a 6' foot athlete even in his dwarf state. With his agility he can bounce off various things like a hockey puck and even now with his upgrade can do this feat to a greater extent.

Bull Fighter: Before he became a dwarf, he was a famous bullfighter in Spain in 1930's. They even said Eugene was better than Maera himself. Even Ernest Hemmingway was watching him and was quite impressed with his skills.

Durability: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained metahuman durability. Which allows Puck to withstand extreme temperatures and pressures, and virtually all toxins, corrosives, punctures and concussions without sustaining injury. As he said he became invulnerable, due to Puck's tissues were condensed at a molecular level, causing his body to become akin to compressed rubber.

Experience: Puck is very old; he was a soldier of fortune in the early 1900s. He has traveled the world and experienced many cultures, battle many foes and learned from it all. His age almost rivals that of Wolverine, however, Puck's age keeps changing in the comics. He has been in many battles for instance on the opposing side against Black Widow in the Tonkin Gulf in 1967. Also Wolverine recognized his battle tactics in Maracaibo and even battled with Modred to stop the Brass Bishop into getting into the new Tower of Babel. He also fought with Wolverine and Ernest Hemingway in the Spanish Civil War.

Fake Death: An ability he learned in the Orient, where he can place himself in a temporary death-like trance state. This can fool most people leaving them open for an attack.

Fighting Skills: Puck is one of the most skilled fighters in the Marvel universe. He knows a mixture of various martial arts, street fighting techniques, acrobatics and gymnastics. He even has such skill that allows him to sneak up on Wolverine, as he said "Who...? You! Well, well, well. I shoulda known you'd be the only one who could sneak up on me like that." [Talking about Puck]

Intelligence: A very bright person even in the heat of battle has quoted Hamlet from time to time. In a battle with Atlanteans, he quoted. "Let the foils be brought the gentlemen willing, and the King hold his purpose, I will win for him if I can, if not, I will gain nothing but my shame and the odd hits!" He's a scholar and often reads works by Shakespeare and even in the past was friends with Ernest Hemmingway. Puck can also speak fluent Russian, Japanese, German and various other languages as well. He also has a great deal of knowledge about magic, folklore and magical rituals.

Reflexes: Even prior to his upgrade, Puck trained himself to be the best shape he could be and even had superhuman level reflexes, virtually instantaneous. He could act out many battle tactics in his head only in a fraction of a second and in the next heartbeat act.

Speed: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman speed. That's the ability to run 111-115 miles per hour

Stamina: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman stamina. That's the ability to sustain peak exertion before fatigue impairs performance up to a day.

Strength: After the experimentations from The Master and having his body compressed, Puck gained superhuman strength. Prior to just being a dwarf he had peak human strength, but now he is Superhuman Class 10. That's the ability to press 2-10 tons.

Yoga: Trained by an old Hindu, named Dr.Srivinda, which allows Puck to slow his breathing and alter his body temperature. Even to the skill level being submerged into the freezing Arctic water for minutes without any problems at all. This was at the time when Puck hadn't had his upgrade yet.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
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This is the Puck I was trying to convey

Classic Puck with upgrade vs Spiderman

and now that I read that bio, I wonder if I should of taken Spidey's sense away,
This upgraded Puck is no joke, better than I imagined.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well in the handbook upgraded Puck had the same ranking for reflexes as Spider-Man. So yes give him back his spider-sense or Puck easily wins.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well in the handbook upgraded Puck had the same ranking for reflexes as Spider-Man. So yes give him back his spider-sense or Puck easily wins.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Still though I think these two are evenly matched, perhaps Puck's size may make the difference, he' a harder target to hit, but he also would have to struggle more to hit himself, since he would have to jump just to hit Spidey's chest for example

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Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
TOHOTMU rankings are crap though. They have beast stated as a 2 tonner yet ranked as 5 on the graph, a point higher than the explictly stated to be 15 tonner Spider-man in the strength category.

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Originally posted by Mr Master
This is Classic Spiderman, not some retcon version

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
Indeed, but he does actually have incredible reflexes

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