I think they all were a natural at something before the bat recruited them. Dick with his acrobatics, Tim with his detective skills, and Cassie with her fighting skills. Under the bats tutulage all their natural attributes were enhanced a great deal. Anyway what im saying is that if it were just h2h then cassie takes this and easily too. Musn't forget her ability to detect moves.
Drake is VERY good (and basically the best trained ROBIN by far for his age, particularly due to what happened to Jason .....the guy even got some pointers from Shiva), but against Batgirl he might as well slit his own throat with a batarang.
They are not even on the same planet in terms of skill.
Or for that matter take their fight against Shrike!
Robin was getting KILLED (he would have been literally murdered by Shrike ....everything he tried to do to protect himself backfired).
Then Batgirl stepped in and made Shrike look like a pathetic fool. Everything he tried she turned against him, and literally dismantled the guy to the point where he was bleeding to death (due to a torn femoral artery).
Drake and Cassie are simply at different levels. Drake is amazing (the guy beats up teams of trained spec-ops military types), but Cassie is simply on a different plateau.
As for her being an over-rated floozy ....for a moment I thought you were talking about Captain America (you know, the whole 'he can take down spiderman by throwing his shield' spiel).
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Two of those (Karate Kid and BM1M) are characters that can basically hang with super-powered heroes (in KK's case pre-crisis Kryptonians and Daxamites).
When it comes to 'earth humans' the only people who can hang with BG in 'normal' DC are Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva.
Bronze Tiger is a 'great,' but he is a tier below.
Well, true .....almost!
Batgirl is indeed number 3 (if you include KK and BM1M). Here's how:
The fact of the matter is that Dragon, Shiva and Cassie are interchangeable.
After all, Shiva killed Dragon, but Dragon was about to kill Shiva before two of her guards tackled him from behind (this was in the Richard Dragon miniseries). Hence, even though Shiva killed Dragon, Dragon would have killed her was there no interference (and would have used the same 'Leopard Blow' that she uses, whereby fingers are driven through one's head). Thus even though Shiva won it is clearly apparent that Dragon did not lose.
Now take Batgirl and Shiva. They have faced each other several times .....one time Shiva killed her (and brought her back), the other time Batgirl defeated Shiva a second before she herself got knocked out. Then in the final edition of the Batgirl series Batgirl defeated Shiva and left her hanging for dead over a Lazarus pit (which somehow makes me believe we have not seen the last of Lady Shiva, since in the second to last frame it seems like the fabric holding her over the pit is fraying ......which is interesting because at first the hook had gone through her flesh, but now it is only a thin fabric layer left). Anyways, Batgirl 'killed' Shiva (although I think she is coming back).
Thus the 3 are interchangeable, meaning that Batgirl is NOT number 5 but rather number 3 (together with Dragon being number 3, and Shiva being number 3 as well).
Hence even with BM1M and KK, Batgirl still comes at number 3.
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What about guys in DC like O-Sensei, Constantine Drakon, and David Cain? I think the reason people don't recognize O-Sensei and Constantine Drakon as top tier martial artists is because they are not well-known.
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What about Connor Hawke as well? Hell, what about even Wonder Woman? I just think there are a bunch of uber martial artists in DC that get over-looked sometimes.
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Apr 20th, 2006 05:39 PM
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