Speculation. All that was ever revealed about Beyonder was that he was all that was in an otherdimensional universe, a universe that lay beyond marvels multiverse. Never was it stated that he created himself. Beyonder is a character of Marvel creation, therefore he derives from Marvels supreme being, whoever that maybe.
I wasn't really offended. Though I don't actually like some religions, including Christianity, I have nothing against the people practicing religions. Many of them actually have very, very good points and ideas.
Good thread, by the way. I guess it all comes down to the question whether The Presence/TOAA/someone equal has created everything that exists outside the multiverse. If he has, then obviously he wins, but if he hasn't, then Beyonder has a shot.
Whether you believe in a god or not is irrelevant to this debate. You know the concept of a supreme being, you know the nature of a supreme being and Beyonder was not one. Debate with that in mind.
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The beyonder no matter what these idiots say, was still a creation of marvel and there for was a part of the MU. all this bullshit about him being from out side of the Mu and coming and taking over is utter foolishbull crap. he was created by a marvel writer and there for was a marvel u character. where he was from inside THIER universe or the multiverse, he was still part of THIER multiverse. he is not part of the DC multiverse and there for would not be able to usurp his will over the Presence. The beyonder would have to be a joint ventrue between dc and marvel, and be part of the OMNIVERSE that is all things comics, and they would have to then decide that he was greater than the presence. That will never happen. The Beyonder simply is outclassed here. Hell The 5th dimension Imps are from outside the multiverse, does that make them beyond God? The entire DCU multiverse was all 3 dimensional. The imps weren't even affected by crisis. So are they beyond the multiverse like the beyonder? are they above God? Nope. Niether is the beyonder. You mavel beyonder cultist need to get urselves a camp and live there and set it on fire.
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go to the first panel on this respect thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t412978.html and also if your refering to TOAA being stan lee/jack kirby then obviously they could win because they are marvels creators, but if we are talking about a comic book character, then how would they win?
Very much possible. I posted my opinion on the match in my previous post, but to make it clear, I'm leaning towards the supreme being. But yeah, there's still one question that hasn't been answered: did God create everything outside the multiverse? Food for thought, not only in this debate, but I like philosophical discussions
Yahweh of Vertigo[who some accept as being the same being as Presence. while others don't. As sometimes the stories fit and sometimes they.. don't.. anyways.. whichever you see..], is also depicted much the same as all creation extends outwards from himself.
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But whoever Marvel's 'creator' is[who we'll label as TOAA, as is commonly thought], created not only the multiverse, but everything beyond it, is what he's saying. Everything has a point of origin, save The Supreme Being.
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