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The Enigma Force is the what sustains Captain Universe, (the life essence of the Universe) Captain Universe dies, and ALL life in the Universe dies.
The Enigma Force is as essential to the Universe as the Universe itself, while the Phoenix Force is a child of the Universe, that has died without affecting the Universe.
BULL another attempt to demean the Phoenix Force through lies or was it just very poor knowledge.
Essential to the universe as the universe itself? Yeah that makes sense
The Phoenix is the Big Bang that spawned the universe and as the Big Bang it is the ambient energies that saturate reality. As stated on panel it is the sum and substance of all that lives, the very life force of reality.
The Phoenix Force cannot die because it is life. Its avatars can die, thats something different and totally irrelevant to this debate. Please learn to be objective and post that in debate.
The Enigma Force is a power that resides within the alternate dimension known as the Microverse. All it is is the energies of a future Galactus that had been turned into a star by Reed Richards in an alternate future. This power source was discovered by Prince Wayfinder who tapped into it and used it to take him and his people to the Microverse whereupon Galactus' energies dispersed in the Microverse becoming an ambient power source the inhabitants there worshipped. It is neither essential to reality or the life force of reality.
Captain Universe dies the Enigma Force finds another host.
The Enigma Force was recently seen on panel empowering Sue Richards as the new CU and she could barely hold her own against Gladiator.
The Enigma Force enhances its hosts natural abilities fiftyfold. That is all. If youre human then you wont be as powerful as a mutant who gains this power. Either way its not particularly impressive and contrary to what biased posters will have you believe it is not essential to the universe.
If more Bull is posted scans from current continuity will follow to highlight said Bull.
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Last edited by GalacticStorm on Jan 4th, 2007 at 06:03 PM
As little respect that I have for GS, I have to agree on one point...
Dark Pheonix herself stated she is Life Personified.....it has been stated numerous times that she is the Life Force of the Universe embodied, at least in 616 continuum...
She may not be responsible for the mere existance of Marvel 616 Universe, but she is responsible for the LIFE that exists in Marvel 616.
Pheonix Force being called a "Child of the Universe" definately puts her in a level below Eternity, however, it does not negate her role as the instigator of the cycle of life.
Child of the Universe is a statement Galactus used to refer to the Phoenix when he was relating to the Firebird the manifestation of the Force its nature. That it is an expression of the universal life force within reality. It was NOT a statement defining the Force as a whole to be something created by the universe.
With that in mind your Eternity statement is incorrect. Eternity himself is created after the universe is formed. He is its sentience. Eternity himself stated it is the Phoenix that spawns him after the end of the last cycle.
Learn your Phoenix stuff as opposed to posting inaccuracy like its fact.
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Last edited by GalacticStorm on Jan 4th, 2007 at 06:12 PM
Read "the Sword in the star the story of Wayfinder" or the Micronauts fortunately my uncle lent my brother the issues. The Enigma force is not so much and neither is the Unipower from which it is derived.
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Is there any scan which proves that phoenix is big bang apart from reed's statement ? I have heard that watcher and eternity too once said that phoenix is big bang but i have never seen scan. If you have scan then post it
ya know, even with that statement I still find that a bit limiting. Considering draining all "potential life". If she continues to draw from that power, her source will essentially be depleted due to that potential decreasing in size. From that statement it appears that overtime her power in fact may get weaker and weaker if she chose to go that route.
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Nov 21st, 2006 12:47 AM
another attempt to demean the Phoenix Force through lies or was it just very poor knowledge. 
