Just how durable is Juggernaut without his force-field?
I’ve been thinking about this lately about classic Juggernaut’s invulnerability and his shield. Now, I know the general consensus seems to be that Cain’s invulnerable even without his shield, but is he really?
In the past, we’ve seen:
- Nightcrawler hurt classic Juggernaut
- Hulk knock the wind out of him
- Spider-Woman and Storm manage to make him scream in pain
- An amped up Venom beat him around
- Shatterstar stab his eye out
- Vision hurt him by phasing his hand in his head
- A car stun another Juggernaut
- Nimrod knock him out with a high-frequency sonic attack
- Thor literally take away his shield and then proceed to beat him around with his fists
We’ve also seen on at least two occasions (his fight with Spider-Man and his second fight with Thor) statements that his invulnerability is completely tied to his force-field.
Now, one could say that these are all just low showings (and maybe they are) but is it possible that classic Juggs was never truly invulnerable without his shield (and I mean literally nothing-can-hurt-me-period invulnerable) or did he just have better durability than most when his shield was not up and could still be hurt by enough physical force?
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I would seriously like to know what issues those where in.
The Thor comic didn't really know everything about his character. In it they considered him a mutant several times, so what's to say they didn't look into Cain's character well.
- Nimrod knock him out with a high-frequency sonic attack
He wasn't physically damaged by this nor was he Knocked out. He was just disoriented.
- Shatterstar stab his eye out
His swords where mystical, so yeah magic.
- An amped up Venom beat him around
- Hulk knock the wind out of him
He wasn't physically harmed or hurt.
We’ve also seen on at least two occasions (his fight with Spider-Man and his second fight with Thor) statements that his invulnerability is completely tied to his force-field.
I think you are mistaken on that one.
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Anyone have a Youtube video of the X-men tv cartoon from the 90's? There is an episode in which Shi'ar got a hold of Juggy and threw him miles and miles away.
Even Jubilee says something like "Gosh, I've never seen anyone do that to the Juggernaut"
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And? Wait, his force feild was only shown like... twice? How can it be wrong?
It passed, right after Juggernaut got a cheap shot on him... right?
Also, I don't remember it passing... maybe after he got revived, but it never said anythign about it passing.
Thor even said he had to gather up his remaining strength.
I didn't word what I meant to say right. I am trying to say Juggernaut took Thor's attacks no problem. Although Juggernaut did smack Thor around alittle before he became ill. But you are right the actual fist fight was handicapped. I didn't quite mean to get into this debate.
Juggernaut did fair just as well against Thor as Thor did to him in there second fight.
But the original argument was that the writers didn't know enough about Juggernaut. Both comics featured his shield and both were written by the same people.
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Well, its written and drawn by the same people, Ron Frenz and Tom DeFlaco. They could have stayed consistent with that.
The first fight had a see through shield, but it was visible. And their second fight had a flat out pink/red shield that was about 2 feet away from his body. Neither fight was the shield drawn, except when mentioned.
Then you have Spider-man in which his shield was bright yellow. Deflaco also had a hand in this one. These are the only fights his shield has actually been mentioned and shown.
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