2. When has the Hulk ever dealt with the speeds that we're talking about now? Quicksilver was like, a couple hundred miles per hour. superman is hundreds of thousands of miles per second. See the difference?
The only way the team wins is if Superman is written as some dumb brick who decides to go and slug it out with them.
However, with KMC rules there is no way that Superman can lose.
I (and others) have gone into why this is the case, and there is no reason repeating it here when a look at the Hulk vs Superman thread would clearly illustrate why (the one started by a poster called 'AsianHulk' or something along those lines many many months ago).
The only difference in this thread is that instead of one ONE-DIMENSIONAL character we have two - the Hulk and Hercules.
It really doesn't matter much against an omni-dimensional character.
With KMC rules Supes would be going all out and using ALL of his various powers and attributes.
Thing is, the team wouldn't be able to even see him let alone touch him.
In a nutshell, if you want to put a one-dimensional character (like the Hulk) against an omni-dimensional character (like Superman, Mr.Majestic, Sentry), and you want them to fight per KMC rules ....you face a major problem in that most omni-dimensional characters (actually all 'omnis' at the level of Superman or Majestic) can wipe the floor with most one-dimensionals pretty easy.
There are already enough scans on KMc that show Superman fighting at speed (whereby he is either nomoving so fast he is invisible, either moving so fast that he is basically hitting the person all over, or moving so fast that he is basically intangible). Or how Superman was roughing up Mongol at speed. How would the Hulk/Hercules be able to handle that?
Anyways, to cut a long story short, putting up a one-dimensional against an Omni, and then having the fight take place per KMC rules, is almost spite. Why? Not only does the Omni have a very high chance of winning (almost assured, unless the omni jobs or there is PIS/CIS .....and the omni will not be jobbing and there will be no PIS like happens in comics sometimes, e.g. Colossus giving Gladiator a hard time), BUT the one-dimensionals also have no chance of winning (e.g. they would never be able to hit the omni for one).
Superman 10/10, for reasons shown in the Hulk vs Superman thread.
Now, have Superman vs Majestic and Gladiator (or for that matter Superman vs Majestic), and Kal-El will lose. The only thing that can take down an omni (a high-level omni like Majestic or Superman) has to be another omni, OR A one-dimensional with a power that is simply unbelievable (eg Mad Jim is a one-dimensional, but his reality warping powers put him at a level above almost all omnis).
Now, strength as a power (as a one-dimensional power) is NOT sufficient to take down an omni.
Why?
Because strength (physical strength) requires tactile contact. Against an omni that is not going to happen (particularly per KMC rules).
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