* Invisibility Cloak
* Plasma Cannon with Autoaim/Lock-on/Hack (aimbot)
* Net
* Wristblades (can be launched)
* Combi Stick/ Spear
* Disc
* Enhanced Strength
* Enhanced Stamina/Durability (keeps fighting aliens even after being impaled)
* Bomb (haha just kidding, wolverine would heal from it, while GG for Pred!)
- Assumptions :
* A direct hit from the plasma cannon with will almost KO wolverine or at least flay a nice large chunk of flesh off him (in AVP, one shot = a dead alien with body parts flying everywhere).
* Wolverine's heightened senses cannot locate EXACTLY where a cloaked predator is (compared to when he can see him visibly). To put it another way, he can only sense his presense and whereabouts.
Environment:
* Night time Jungle (poor visiblity)
Rules/Conditions:
* No rules
* Opponents are deployed into the Jungle, each must track each other down (sneak attack would be handy here).
* Opponents know of each other's strengths/Weaknesses.
e.g The Predator knows he aint gonna kill Wolverine anytime soon by just impaling him with a spear since he is aware of his healing factor.
Likewise, Wolverine is aware that one stab of his claws isnt going to take out the Predator (although it would severely weaken him).
* Defeat by Fatality or KO (if it was by fatality, there would be some major problems for a certain opponent tsk tsk)
Obviously, the initial reaction will be that Wolverine>Predator.... but anyway, I dont think its that clear cut if you dont underestimate the Predator and his array of weapons.
Points to consider (in favour for Predator lol, only because I know everyone is voting for Wolvie, which I wouldnt disagree with)
* Wolverine has does not know Predator's scent as this is the first encounter.
* Predator will effectively be invisible to Wolverine (until Wolverine is aware of him, then after that he can be tracked by his scent)
* Predator is THE Hunter! (i.e reminding you that its pretty much his profession and hence SHOULD be more experienced given the battle conditions/Environment)
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Hmmm seems like you put alot of effort in this. I appreciate it. Hmmm question does Pred get that handy healing liquid stuff? I have to assume that pred has strength greater of equal to logan. Pred being able to rip the spine out of people come to mind. Agility is pretty good to leaping around in the trees and what not. I would say Logan 6/10. Barely gets the majority because of his adamantium. The spear, claw, and net can all be broken. Idk about the disk, its pretty dense but likely and i wouldn't put it past logan to dodge such a attack.
As for the plasma weapon I think thats the kicker. Logan will not be able to withstand more then 2 blast at most i think. If he does he would be in no shape to fight after that. But i think Logan will be able to dodge a direct hit.
A h2h combat fight with no weapons would be cool thou. Pred is the ultimate hunter race and Logan is a animal lol
I guess I should include the healing device in the Predator's arsenal, afterall, he'll need all the help he can get =]
Would he have time to use it after being injured though? I guess he could if he somehow got away from Wolverine by jumping around in the trees to his advantage since I dont think Wolverine can catch him.
Thing about Logan's strength, I've always believed that Wolverine was only peak-human strength, but I've read in some of the other threads that he is actually superhuman, so I'm not sure about that. But I know predator is definately stronger than any human (peak or not) and therefore he would have superhuman strength.
The other thing is that I think the Predator can get a shot at Wolverine with his cannon if he gets lucky and if he approached him with stealth.
I also think the Plasma Cannon is the big chance that Predator has going for him.
The only way Predator wins this is if he engages him from afar (with whatever ranged weapon), weakening him, then coming in for the kill (so to speak =] )
Hmm the more I think about this, the more I agree with your verdict: 6/10 For Logan.
Oh wow, I'm new to this board, I didnt know it had weird rules like only being able to edit the original post within 15 mins of the post.
Anyway, I was just going to include the Healing Device for the Predator. (which I already mentioned above, but I dont think everyone's gonna read my posts lol)
This is one of my favourite matches (aside from Cartoon Magneto vs Movie Dr Doom)
placidy you bring up the plasma cannon killing an alien. but an alien is succeptible to regular bullets so i doubt it will hurt wolverine as much as we think. wolverine withstood constant obliteration from the phoenix in xmen 3 the last stand so i think he can tolerate the plasma cannon more than he is given credit for
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^Man, I never intended to imply that the Plasma Cannon can "kill" Wolverine (if thats what you thought I was saying).
I'm saying that it could definately weaken him long enough for the Predator to do whatever that needs to be done.
Wolverine is no less susceptible to damage then Aliens or any normal human, its just that he'll heal back incredibly fast. And also, in this particular case, he is practically indestructible.
However, if he does get shot with a Plasma Cannon, he will need to do a whole lot of healing due to massive loss of body tissue, and IMO at this point, he would be down momentarily at least for a some seconds (10 secs? maybe less if he has Berseker rage on). Now if the Predator could repeatedly blast him while he is down, I think the Predator might be able to KO him.
And if you're going by the movie Wolverine, I would think Predator would win, since Logan got knocked out after being shot in the head in X2.
In X3, so-called Dark Phoenix wasnt even her full powers against him. The Phoenix obliterated everyone at the molecular level in less than a second. Theres just no way Logan could have regenerated from that if she unleashed her full powers on him.
Also in X3, Logan got stabbed (by the guy that produces these wood things...) and he was down for the count for awhile (i.e 10-15 secs).
(Similar examples in X2, vs Lady Deathstrike)
Now imagine, how long he would be down after having a large chunk of flesh flayed from his body after being hit by a plasma cannon.
I believe that the Movie Wolverine is much less powerful than the Comics Wolverine... so lets not bring that into disscusion.
Predator would knock him unconscious cos he cant kill him then rip out his spine, then take his skull and make it a collectors edition. If he is strong enough.
Cyclops' blast is concussive. The plasma cannon combines concussive force with incomparable heat. To say that Cyke's blast >> a Plasma cannon isn't entirely accurate, as someone could have varying degrees of durability with respect to different sources of attack.
The predator might be able to sneak in a few wins here, mainly due to his cannon. But if he tries to engage Wolvie H2H he's going to be sliced up pretty fast (berserker rage is the shit).
I know predators have a slight degree of superhuman strength, but so does Wolverine. They're about equal in strength IMO (around 1-2 tons)
However I believe Wolverine is a bit faster and has better reflexes
Then there's the unbreakable bones, HF and so on.
Nope, just personal interpretation, although I feel its pretty obvious and most people would agree with it (search the Xmen movie threads).
Do you really think Logan could've gotten close to the Phoenix if she didnt let him? (or Logan>Phoenix)
You may have forgotten that she has telekinesis, which is what allows her to "demolecularize" objects. So even if she was struggling to demolecularize him as you claim, she could have pushed him away/ slammed him into the ground/ make him immobile etc (as shown earlier in the film).
They also have a love/hate relationship going on, hence why she didnt kill him. (or some claim that Jean was fighting/holding back the phoenix)
Observing what the Phoenix did to other victims should show that she was only using a fraction of her powers against Logan. Basically, she was only striping a few layers off his chest and face. Whereas, when using her full capacity, the victim is demolecularized from head to toe almost instantly (not just the chest etc).
Also, the Phoenix asks Logan: "You would die for them?", implying she is capable of killing him. And she probably well may have if Jean didnt surface after that.
In addition, Judging by previous feats of Logan's healing factor in the films, it is also obvious he cannot regenerate at any rate as close to how quickly Phoenix can demolecularize objects(i.e almost instantly).
I think the pred takes Logan more times then not. The plasmacaster is just too powerful a weapon for Logan to get hit and keep going. While he may live, multiple shots will definately put him down for the count.
the adamantium wont be affected by the blast so his structural integrity remains and he can regenerate his flesh like its nothing. it seems to me that in this thread placidity is trying to set the rules against wolverine.
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