Movie Juggernaut:
Despite being a shadow of what he's in the 616 Earth, he was showed restrained without the chance to even flex a muscle in steel locks, which must have been highly durable.He was able to pass through Alcatraz reinforced concrete walls like they were paper, walls which were 3 foot thick.He also possess considerable running speed, subsonic, probably around 60 mph, he also leaped from the roof of that H1 of the US Army to the wall without loosing momentum and with ease as well.I wouldn't consider using Wolverine as a punching ball a feat, except for the claws don't piercing his skin, which mean he has a high degree of superhuman durability.Strengthwise I dunno how he could be rated, maybe around Class 40/50 cause he was enough strong to make Logan's heal factor useless.
Movie Thing:
In the first FF4 movie Ben was able to stop the firefighters truck which was sliding on the bridge by grabbing it, a truck like that weights at least 20/30 tons, so he should be at least in that range to do it.He then punched Doom's metallic body without any effort and was able to send him flying as well to crush walls and the floor of that pool.His durability was enough to take Doom's electrical blasts and fall from a skyscraper into a dumptruck and survive without even a scratch.But Doom was able to restrain him and have him ready for the death strike, wasn't for Sue's force field he would've probably been impaled.In the second movie Doom blasted a safedoor into him and he got splat into a wall by the door, and was still conscious when the rest of the FF4 came to see what happened.He also hold the London Eye above his shoulders using probably all of his strength, but he was aided by Sue's force fields.
The fight:
Jugg's advantage is his speed and his major durability, despit being less strong, he could surely hit and meanwhile handle Benji using his superior speed, and take everything he would throw at him, but in the movie I remember him saying he cannot swim, so Ben's only chance is to grab him and throw him into the water ala Hulk in WWH
Well the fact is the strength feats for the Thing are more than those of Jugg.I do hope they bring him back for a 4th and 5th movie and they make him the badass he deserves to be.And I so hoped in X3 he and Colossus were going to make a slugfest.
I personally believe the Fire Truck weighted more then 20 or 30 tons. I would say somewhere 50 to 100 tons also take in to consideration that most of the truck was over the railing and start to slip.
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I gotta go with Juggernaut even though I like Thing. We never saw any limitations on movie Juggernaut. When Kitty froze him in the concrete flooring that didn't damage him either. I think he is near invulnerable to physical damage.
Oh, there are the movie vs. forums under the "movies" forums for things like this too, as was pointed out to me yesterday.
Yeah, good feat indeed, but as K-Dog sayed Jugg's looked almost invulnerable to physical harm, even if they tried to inject with the cure, it wouldn't work, a needle isn't going to pierce his skin.Maybe they restrained him using gas or heavy weaponry.I would've loved to see the U.S. Army using tanks and grenade launchers to see him laughing off at everything they threw at him.
Movie Juggernaut did not even have superhuman strength in the classic sense, his mutant power was to be unstoppable when in motion.
This is why he was unable to free himself from the prison transport - because he couldn't move in order to build momentum. Had movie Thing been in the same position he likely would have ripped the restraints apart.
Not that any of this actually matters, Juggs can't be completely restrained by the Thing here and as long as he's moving he's practically invulnerable.
My personal opinion Juggernaut and Silver Surfer were written that way to give the X-Men and Fantastic Four a chance in hell other wise Juggernaut written the way he was in comic books would have destroyed the Movie X-Men dido for the FF with Silver Surfer
I wonder how they caught juggernaught in the 1st place if he is invincible and all that ..must be while he was sleeping lol anyway Juggs for the win. Grim seemed to have had to use some effort in eveything he did. Juggs did as he pleased easily (when out of the restraints).
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