Mark Millar has stated that Red Son is an homage to Pre-Crisis Superman in terms of power and intelligence. And we all know how powerful PC Superman is. Plus, he has more feats, I think.
Off the top of my head I want to say Kingdom Come, primarily because he has absorbed more yellow-tinge solar radiation over the years, and also because of the clear extrapolation of powers between him and New Earth Superman.
However, that is thrown into a loop because it is clearly stated in the Red Son Graphic Novel that RS Superman has ALSO absorbed a lot of solar, and near the end of the graphic novel (when he finally decides to go off and conquer the newly re-assembled US that is headed by Lex) it is evident that he is also an older Superman (like KC) ....thus totally negating the whole 'but KC has more years of solar absorption.'
Thus, the two are both senior Superman at their peaks when it comes to yellow-tinge Solar absorption, as well as power sets.
Both are also highly technical combatants (e.g. they don't have the boy scout tendencies of NE Superman). For instance, RS Superman effectively takes out all those Green Lanterns (I love the blurb where he tells them they are foolish for using a thought-based weapon against someone who can move 10 times the speed of thought).
So, thus far they seem more or less neck to neck.
However, there is a part that makes me give this to RS Superman.
Near the end, when Braniac turns against him after RS-S refuses to finish the job of dismantling the new US, Braniac is disabled by Lex ....which triggers the several mini-Black Holes that power Braniac's ship.
He has seconds left.
The 6 black holes will destroy everything within a radius of 15 MILLION miles.
He has to travel that distance in seconds .....and he rushes up, grabs the LARGE SHIP, and hurtles off into space at what must be multiples of C.
Manages to take it far enough that it is way beyond 15 mil miles from Earth.
And even though Luthor expected the 15mil mile blast to also destroy Superman, it did not (Superman quips that Luthor must have miscalculated his density by some decimal point).
That is, simply, a type of feat that is CLEARLY Pre-Crisis, and would not lose face when compared with anything that PC Superman, PC Superboy, Emo-Prime, Tangent Superman, and All-Star Superman have done (there have been greater feats, easily ...e.g. sneezing away galaxies or pulling strings of planets, or even the more recent Emo-Prime pushing of a planet at high velocity .... but that feat by Red Son Superman could stand with them and even though it would not win it would not lose face. It would be an honorable standing).
Red Son Superman, in that feat, did something that could have easily have fallen out of a pre-Crisis planning dossier!
Red Son Superman wins this ....although it should be noted that both are 'senior citizen' Kryptonians at their absolute power-peaks. It is just that, based on panel feats (and not Quanchi-esque 'prove to me he also cannot do that' circular logic nonsense), Red-Son Superman does have the higher feats.
Thus, in my book, Red Son Superman wins. (Although, if I channel the inanity that is Quanchi, I could say that 'maybe KC Superman could do all that and more ...after all, prove to me that he cannot.' However, I am all out of meth, thus without the idiot juice I cannot do that).
Red Son wins.
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Last edited by spetznaz on Nov 25th, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Another poster whose exposure to comics (that he actually wastes bandwidth posting on when it is evident he knows not what he is speaking about) actually comes to Wikipedia entries.
Saying that Red Son Superman has done nothing that puts him above current Superman, shows that you have evidently not read Superman: Red Son.
Which brings up the question ...why post in the first place?
Unless you have some vestigial gene that compels you to make a fool of yourself in public?
Which isn't backed up by what they've actually done.
A feat not beyond current Supes.
I think it was more implied he was fast enough to escape the blast radius.
Normal post crisis Supes has survived exploding sun eaters, the moon being obliterated, etc. Once again, you're not naming anything current Supes can't do, to compare it to PC supes is..not right.
a. You state that: Great, it was also stated Sentry beat Galactus.
Well, I also heard that JFK was killed by the mob, i.e., it has no pertinence in this matter. I mentioned that both Supermen are older, and have absorbed more Solar radiation, and you post that "it's stated that Sentry beat Galactus." That is totally asinine and has no bearing on anything on this thread.
Flawed logic.
b. You state that: Which isn't backed up by what they've actually done.
This was in response to when I said that both were senior Supermen who were at their power peaks due to prolonged Solar Absorption. Well, KC is definitely more resistant towards magic, and has shown more resilience to attacks that would have rocked NE Superman. As for RS-Superman, he was doing feats that NE-Superman simply cannot do. Which ties in with your next nugget of wisdom.
c. You state that: A feat not beyond current Supes.
Well, I have many scans of Post-Crisis/New Earth Superman doing many tremendous feats, including some of those that you mention. I have some of him moving at speeds that are implied to be faster than c, and him surviving blasts that are truly prodigious (ranging from ground zero nuclear attacks while poisoned with Kryptonite, all the way to a major space detonation that was simply astounding). All of these can be found in his respect thread.
There is NONE that show him moving the distance of OVER 15 million miles in SECONDS, and surviving a blast that would destroy everything within that radius.
You are pulling facts out of your posterior.
d. You stated: I think it was more implied he was fast enough to escape the blast radius.
Well, you can go ahead and THINK, but I own the bloody rag, and I know what it says. After Red Son Superman covertly comes back to Earth, and centuries upon centuries pass, with him not dying (immortality ...although his powers start to dim as our sun turns from yellow to a Red Giant), he quips that Luthor calculated his density some decimal point off. So you can 'think' away all you want, it doesn't change the fact that you are pulling 'facts' out of your posterior all the same.
e. You stated: Normal post crisis Supes has survived exploding sun eaters, the moon being obliterated, etc. Once again, you're not naming anything current Supes can't do, to compare it to PC supes is..not right.
Silly rabbit! There is a difference between an obliterated moon, and a blast that will destroy everything in a 15 million mile radius! There is a difference between normal Superman flying from Earth to another planet within our solar system at speeds implied to be faster than C when Luthor wins the presidency, against Red Son Superman flying over 15 million miles in less than a minute!
Go home and scrub your brain.
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Last edited by spetznaz on Nov 25th, 2008 at 01:14 PM
While its always nice to see Spetsnaz lay some Supes knowledge....I can't help but feel an usual hostility...maybe its because he is pissed at the thought of having to deal with Quanchilogic....meh still good anyways.
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