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Question Who's stronger: Captain America or Wolverine?

I was recently reading Origins because I wanted to catch up on Wolverine's latest adventures. I saw his fight with Captain America and there's a moment in the fight where Cap, from the looks of it, overpowers Wolverine and tries to jam his own claws into his throat. Now Wolverine counters this by retracting his claws, but why didn't he just push Cap away? Cap was able to destroy the tendons in his arms so it wasn't really a wise move from Wolverine.

Now this isn't a debate concerning who would in a fight, but instead I'm wondering which one of them is stronger or how their strength compare to each other.

Here's the moment I'm talking about.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y9...lverineCap1.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y9...lverineCap2.jpg


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Capt has leverage, and Logan was in a weaken state, having not slept much or eaten much in a month and had on top of that just been in a fight.

However there strength is pritty equal, if either had the strength advantage it bee Wolverine who actaully been stated in comic as enhanced or superhuman in strength.

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It's easier when you are on top. (Lulz at the sound of that)

If the difference in strength between them would have been significant, Wolverine would have been able to throw him back, so all you can gather from this instance is that they are somewhat relativly close in strength.


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also Logan did not expect capt to destroy the tendons in his arm.

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capt= wolverine in strength pritty much in normal state.


Wolverine while berserker however is stronger then capt.

So Logan potentially stronger, but only while in an alter state. In a normal state there pritty much equals.

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good question I actually think capt is slightly stronger but not enough to make a difference


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About equal.

But I think logan could brace more weight thanks to a unbreakable skeleton and healing factor.


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It's easier when you are on top. (Lulz at the sound of that)

If the difference in strength between them would have been significant, Wolverine would have been able to throw him back, so all you can gather from this instance is that they are somewhat relativly close in strength.


I think it's only easier because the weight of the person above. If the guy who's under is superstrong (like Wolverine here) he'd be able to throw the person above off easily because the person aboves weight isn't higher than normal. So his weight shouldn't really help him in this situation.

But yeah, I didn't know Cap was supposed to be strong as Wolverine, I always thought he was pretty much "peak" human despite his superhuman feats. I wonder if he has any other concrete strength feats against other superhumans (not counting punching feats or anything like that)

Does KMC have a Captain America expert?


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I'm going to break the mold here and say Logan is stronger. I personally think Cap is a 1 tonner and Logan starts out at least above 1 ton most likely 2. These are of course my simple opinions so I hope whomever disagrees with me does so without biting my head off too much! big grin

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It stings a bit.

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I used to figure they were about equal, but it makes sense to me for Wolverine to be stronger than Captain America-- due to the constant regeneration of damaged muscle tissue, producing little to none of fatigue toxins in the muscle, and the skeletal support to endure more weight.

That scan looks to be more of a surprise and leverage than a pure strength difference.


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I used to figure they were about equal, but it makes sense to me for Wolverine to be stronger than Captain America-- due to the constant regeneration of damaged muscle tissue, producing little to none of fatigue toxins in the muscle, and the skeletal support to endure more weight.

That scan looks to be more of a surprise and leverage than a pure strength difference.


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By the scans alone, you can really only dtermine they are about equal, but over the years of feats id say Wolverine is a little bit stronger, Skeleton being more dense AND the healing factor coming into play.

Only a little bit more though


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Hmm, Cap does have the leverage advantage as he's able to use bigger muscles groups against Wolverine. It'd be an equal match of strength if they were both pushing or pulling each other.


I'm wondering why didn't he just kick Cap off of him? Why did he choose to retract his claws first and then do the magic-bloodclot-kick? It's weird, but I guess that's comics for you..

Have Cap and Wolverine fought before?


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Wolverine is definitely stronger, Ive never seen Cap show strength feats like these...


Wolverine lifts an enourmous tree trunk to bat away at a supernatural foe because touching them freezes him to the soul:

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http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3121/bd9a6048ps6.jpg


Wolverine lifts six men off the ground with one hand; Even if these men are only pushing around a buck 30 or a buck 50 Wolverine's still lifting circa 800 lbs with one hand over his head.

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http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/...pirates3vt4.jpg


Wolverine throws a rather large sized shark out of the water at a ridiclous speed; More impressive given the fact that he did this against the tension of the water and he didn't have his feet for leverage since they were buisy helping him stay afloat:

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http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/...rktossinvc5.jpg


Wolverine lifts an elevator full of people:

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http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/...atorliftqe9.jpg


Wolverine breaks out of the Chromalloy "unbreakable" shackles Dr. Lang put him in

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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4535/shackleshu2.jpg

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http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/...hackles2de6.jpg


Wolverine totally destroys a wrap of chain that was put in place to hold him:

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http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/...ainbreaknt6.jpg


After losing it, Wolverine completely shatters chains wrapped completely around him:

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http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/...ainbreakbb4.jpg

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http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/...inbreak2ri5.jpg


Wolverine breaks free of Mesmero's mind control AND his "unbreakable" chains:

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http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/...kmesmeroff4.jpg

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There's a whole section of Logan's strength feats in his thread.

HF, adamantium skeleton plus intensive regular exercise result in superhuman strength exceeding Cap's level.

Perhaps adamantiumless Logan was on par with Steve's strength.


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Have Cap and Wolverine fought before?


yes twices before.

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capt had leverage, momentum in the above scans. also Logan was caught by surprized and off balances. Logan retracted his claws becauses due to the above they were right by his throat forcing him to put his neck back in an wierd angle. Which is why he would retract them so he could put his head back up which is what he did. and then he kicked capt causing a blood clot.

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