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hawkwind
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would you rather?

have spiderman's powers without the webs,
or,
have wolverines powers without the adamantium?

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I'd say Wolverine's. I could heal from virtually anything...and live an INCREDIBLY long life..lol


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Spiderman

Strength, durability, accelerated healing, speed, sexiness...what, I mean, wait... >_>


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As much as Spiderman would rule, I can't go past Wolvie's extended life.


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wolverine HF is better than anything spiderman have..

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me personally spiderman.

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Spiderman: strength, speed, agility, climb/stick to any surface, spider-sense; overall, a much more versatile powerset...and if it's allowed, I get to wear a much cooler costume.

And while Spiderman's healing factor and lifespan are not up there with Wolverine's, surely they exceed what I have now.


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Personally it would be an easy choice ...Spiderman.

In the real world it could have some real avenues for making coin (e.g. in Iceland there is some guy who is a multi-millionaire many many times over ....he started as an acrobat, and now has a tv show for kids where he is a costumed 'hero' doing simple flips and tumbles ....he is mega rich in a country that is currently undergoing the very worst of the global financial contraction). Or easily look at Cirque de solei (sp) ....the owner is a billionaire.

Or simply the pleasure of being able to leap many feet, run up walls, run very fast, and leap across a city rooftop to rooftop faster than any parkour expert could ever dream of.

Oh, and having strength enabling me to lift many tons ....or speed that can enable me to be an Olympic level sprinter or marathon runner (both sprinters and marathon runners who consistently win quickly end up millionaires). All I would have to do is just run SLIGHTLY faster than the second guy, so as not to draw suspicion. Although if I wanted to I could outrun a VW.

Or the security of knowing what is about to happen when it comes to danger. Sure, with Logan's power you wouldn't have to worry, since you can heal from it. But it is still bloody painful ....if I told you you had a healinfg factor, and you will heal from even the most griveous wounds in a relatively short time, then I stick a machete in a blazing fire, and after a while (when it has that red menacing glow) I pull it out and ask you to lay your arm flat ...you wouldn't do it! So what if you will heal ...you will still feel a lot of pain (like a normal person, with the only difference being that you will not lose your arm). The only time you'd be happy for it is if you are in an accident (meaning the pain would have been there anyways, but at least now you'll heal back as new) and against disease.

However, against accidents Spiderman's sense-powers (and strength and speed) would let you know well before the accident happened, and your strength and speed could enable you to either get away from it, or stop it from happening (something having Logan's powers wouldn't be able to do ....sure, if you are in a car and a truck hits it, and your whole family is there, you with Logan's powers will survive ...but only you. With Spiderman's powers, you can make that accident not happen in the first place).

Oh, and Spidey does have some healing abilities. Nothing as radical as Logan or the Hulk or Deadpool, but he does have a slight healing factor.

As for risk containment, with Wolverine's powers you could undertake a one-man crusade against your local drug dealers, or join the special forces and get dropped in Fallujah as a one man rampage-machine! After all, whatever they throw at you you will just heal through it and mow them down (good luck dealing with the pain though). However, with Spiderman's powers you could do the same. Your senses allow you to know an attack before it happens, and your speed and agility allow you to evade it with ease, while your strength could rip apart armored personnel carriers. You could be like a manga ninja ...weaving your way, literally, in-between bullets. Oh, and you don't have to undergo pain.

For those who have always wanted to be like a Batman ....the speed, senses and strength of Spiderman's powers, and the wealth you could easily amass, can enable you to create something quite akin to what Batman is able to do. In the real world no real human can do that ....after all, first of all you wouldn't even know where to be at the right time, and even if you did the moves he does are impossible, and even if you were that good (NO ONE is THAT good) it would take just one mistake to lay you out 6 feet under! With Spiderman's sense, strength, speed, and agility ....well, that is no longer a problem. Even a simple smooth pebble thrown at Spidey-level strength would bring down a person easy.

Finally, the much-talked-about long-life expectancy of Logan.

Well, that depends ....some comics have made it look like Logan is 'functionally immortal,' but many more have made it look like he has an EXTREMELY RETARDED aging process. Now, if you look at the second one, that is a major trap.

In ancient mythology there are stories of people who asked the gods for immortality, but failed to ask for ETERNAL YOUTH as well.

You can guess what happened! Well, they never died, but they slowly grew older and older, until they were left totally aged and infirm, but never dying.

If Wolvie is TRULY immortal (as some writers made him during a time when his writing had gotten ridiculous), then that gift is a gift. However, if we follow most accounts of his aging as greatly retarded, what it means is that he is aging ....just very very very very slowly. Thus, there will come a day when he will wish for death, and it will still be many centuries away.

Anyways, both power-sets (Parker's and Logan's are great). However, I would definitely select Parker's spider-powers. There's a lot more that I could do with them, particularly since my idea of being a hero would not be a soaker of damage. Furthermore, I would have far greater flexibility and scope of use with the Spiderman power-set, than I would with the Wolverine power-set.

And way more fun!


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spetznaz. good assessment, but I disagree with you and ultimately think Wolverine's powerset wins

I agree with you that spiderman's powers can probably provide more instantaneous gain in wealth and certainly are a lot flashier, but logan's powers are much more useful in the longterm

what's the one thing the rich and powerful share equally with the poor and weak...the inability to avoid passage of time. With spiderman's powers, you'll have a good 30 years, but then time will take its toll. You will start being less agile, strong, healthy, and start becoming old. Eventually, you will be in a wheelchair (maybe you will be 110 before that happens, but it WILL happen)

meanwhile, me with Logan's powers, I'll still be healthy as any young whippersnapper, although I may have to use some hair coloring to color my gray hair. I will also gain media fame as I reach my 200s, becoming in the eyes of mortals a 'GOD'.

so, sure in the shortrun, spidey's powers sound exciting, but in the long run, Logan's powers become far more useful.


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definitely Wolverine sure i could still feel the pain but it would be so worth it


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As much as Spiderman would rule, I can't go past Wolvie's extended life.


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also, I think that taking out the adamantium is a great bonus for Wolverine


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Originally posted by Starscream M
spetznaz. good assessment, but I disagree with you and ultimately think Wolverine's powerset wins

I agree with you that spiderman's powers can probably provide more instantaneous gain in wealth and certainly are a lot flashier, but logan's powers are much more useful in the longterm

what's the one thing the rich and powerful share equally with the poor and weak...the inability to avoid passage of time. With spiderman's powers, you'll have a good 30 years, but then time will take its toll. You will start being less agile, strong, healthy, and start becoming old. Eventually, you will be in a wheelchair (maybe you will be 110 before that happens, but it WILL happen)

meanwhile, me with Logan's powers, I'll still be healthy as any young whippersnapper, although I may have to use some hair coloring to color my gray hair. I will also gain media fame as I reach my 200s, becoming in the eyes of mortals a 'GOD'.

so, sure in the shortrun, spidey's powers sound exciting, but in the long run, Logan's powers become far more useful.


Both powersets have innate advantages and disadvantages, and one of the main pitfalls of Parker's powers is that while he may have a much faster healing ability than base-line humans (a quasi healing factor), he can still get killed, and will age much much much faster than Logan.

However, in my book a great life is more important than merely a long-life, and also with Parker's powers your aging will not be like a humans. You did mention that though, where you said that I may be 110 when I am in a wheelchair, but I will be.

True, I give you that. Good point. At 110 or 120 (or whatever), I will not be jumping about like a cat on crack, while you (with Logan's powers) will still be limber and taking shot-gun pellets to the face.

However, let's go forward 900 years into the future ...I am long dust, but you have moved beyond merely coloring your hair, to wishing you could find a darn way to kill yourself as the age infirmities (if we take the retarded aging approach most writers subscribe to) start to take root.

Anyways, personally I'd rather have a long life (Spidey level, where even at 80 I can still run faster than an olympic level athlete), great strength (juggling trucks for kicks), agility and speed, and a sense that allows me to know what is about to happen, as well as being able to heal of most things that afflict humans. Sure, they'll come a time when Father Time will catch up, but by then I will have had such a good darn time I'll give him a hi-five and ask what took him so long.

I would love to live a long long time, but there are far more important things on my list.

However, either power-set is a good choice, and Logan's powers are nothing to shake a stick at either.


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Both powersets have innate advantages and disadvantages, and one of the main pitfalls of Parker's powers is that while he may have a much faster healing ability than base-line humans (a quasi healing factor), he can still get killed, and will age much much much faster than Logan.

However, in my book a great life is more important than merely a long-life, and also with Parker's powers your aging will not be like a humans. You did mention that though, where you said that I may be 110 when I am in a wheelchair, but I will be.

True, I give you that. Good point. At 110 or 120 (or whatever), I will not be jumping about like a cat on crack, while you (with Logan's powers) will still be limber and taking shot-gun pellets to the face.

However, let's go forward 900 years into the future ...I am long dust, but you have moved beyond merely coloring your hair, to wishing you could find a darn way to kill yourself as the age infirmities (if we take the retarded aging approach most writers subscribe to) start to take root.

Anyways, personally I'd rather have a long life (Spidey level, where even at 80 I can still run faster than an olympic level athlete), great strength (juggling trucks for kicks), agility and speed, and a sense that allows me to know what is about to happen, as well as being able to heal of most things that afflict humans. Sure, they'll come a time when Father Time will catch up, but by then I will have had such a good darn time I'll give him a hi-five and ask what took him so long.

I would love to live a long long time, but there are far more important things on my list.

However, either power-set is a good choice, and Logan's powers are nothing to shake a stick at either.


but you propose a false dichotomy

you make it sound like its either a great life with spidey or a long life with logan

except you can also have a great life with logan as well (thinking about sleeping with any chick without ever worrying about STDs jk)

also, as Logan, I can choose exactly how long I want to live. If I don't like the future 500 years from now, I can still kill myself. It won't be easy, but with proper planning it is feasible. Remember, the OP removed my adamantium skeleton, that means my body can be burned to nothing. So I will just jump into a volcano if I ever desire to die.


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but you propose a false dichotomy

you make it sound like its either a great life with spidey or a long life with logan

except you can also have a great life with logan as well (thinking about sleeping with any chick without ever worrying about STDs jk)

also, as Logan, I can choose exactly how long I want to live. If I don't like the future 500 years from now, I can still kill myself. It won't be easy, but with proper planning it is feasible. Remember, the OP removed my adamantium skeleton, that means my body can be burned to nothing. So I will just jump into a volcano if I ever desire to die.


It may be a skewed dichotomy (I'll willingly agree to that), but not false. The main advantage Logan would have over Spidey is simply longer (actually, MUCH longer) life. In every other aspect (scope AND scale of powers, flexibility of use, the ability to monetize potential, and even simply put, 'fun') Parker's power set is above Logan's in the real world.

However, Logan does beat out Parker easily in the long-life aspect of things, as well as having a healing factor that is heads and shoulders above that of Parker.

As for fighting potential ....in the real world both are equal. Logan may be far more skilled, but Parker's strength, speed, reflexes and pre-cognition would make him be able to match up to any real world event he may face.

I also think on the STD part Parker would be covered, although to be honest even if I was totally immune to cooties I wouldn''t be sticking any appendage of mine in some stranger's goodies (I know you were kidding though smile )

Oh ...one more thing.

Wolverine's healing factor is MUCH better when he does NOT have the Adamantium!

This has been explored in comics several times, and the reason given being that Adamantium poisoning (when he has adamantium) keeps his healing factor working full-time on the toxins. Apparently Adamantium is highly poisonous in the system (weirdly there are some characters who have Adamantium but do not have a healing factor, but I guess that's comics for you) ....and Logan's healing factor is said to operate at a drastically higher level when he has none of the metal in him.

When the metal was leached out of him by Magneto, his healing factor went overboard, and the dude even turned feral.

Thus, killing yourself would be HARDER without the adamantium in you than it would be if you had the metal in you. Your HF would be working full-time on keeping you alive without having to deal with full-system Adamantium poisoning.


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Even with Wolverine's powers you can still perform beyond that of any regular human being.


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Even with Wolverine's powers you can still perform beyond that of any regular human being.


Yes, well beyond any regular human being.

But nowhere close to Spiderman.


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I think I would be able to settle for Logan's powers. You would get pretty damn jacked pretty damn easily due to teh healing factor and muscle repair and adaptation. LIek super ripped and powerful. I can still sense stuff by smelling things. Won't be able to sniff a bullet coming at my a few hundred yards away but no one is gonna be able to sneak up on me. (unless im sleeping, that would be unfortunate).

You would be physically better than any athlete and have plenty of time to hone any skill due to nigh immortality. Also in this day and age be able to literally resist any sort of disease and poison is miraculous. Eventually I would be able to synthesize my blood. Create many different cures or maybe just one cureall "magic" pill. Yeah you think pharmaceutical companies get a ton of money now..I would make a ridiculous amount of money.

My blood line would last until the end of time. Thats pretty cool.

Also back to your senses you would be a great food critic lol.

The only draw back to logan's powerset is just watching people you know and love die like all the time... That would be pretty depressing.

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Yes, well beyond any regular human being.

But nowhere close to Spiderman.


Depends on which Spider-man actually.


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Wolverine, by far.


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