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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
Captain America(steve) vs batman= cap 7/10
Captain America(steve) vs dick grayson= cap 5.5 6/10
Captain America(steve) vs DS = cap 5.5
BP vs DS = BP 5.5

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Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. Both are only suppose to be peak but have shown feats that transcend this theory.
2. Not buying it. Batman has sucessfully evaded atleast just as many sharpshooters bullets and superhuman's punches as Cap has.
3. I will agree with you on strength. But as I said both have shown the ability to transcend the set peak human barrier of 800 pounds. Cap might be able to lift more but I doubt he hits harder. Durability I have to give to Batman. While Cap is durable and has an unbreakable shield he holds it. Batman wears his batsuit. That thing has given Batman just as much protection against blunt force as Panther's vibranium weave suit gives him.
4. Cap has no healing factor that need be mentioned in this fight. It mends broken bones. He isn't Wolverine. Higher tolerance than Batman? Naturally, maybe. But Batman has a gas masks.
5. Your right Batman has those. He also has sonics, exploding batarangs(He can't block all of them, Bats will strategically throw multiples at vital areas to make Rogers pick his poison/injury), nerve gas(doubt Rogers will walk this off), and tazers. Up close with shield? That's a viable tactic. But up close is not where you want to be with Batman. He knows too many of those "death touches" and pressure points. Have Rogers try pressure pointing the batsuit. Throwing the shield? Well Batman has split Oliver's arrows straight down the middle with a batarang. I'd think he can duck from the shield.

I think Cap vs Bats in H2H would last for hours because of Cap's slightly superior stats and Batman's slightly superior martial arts skill. But give them there weapons and as versatile as Cap is with his shield, Batman has too many weapons.

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Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. You have Nightwing doing better than Batman against Cap.
2. Cap beating Slade for the majority?



As for my stance on Batman vs Captain America, I posted this in the other thread.

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Originally posted by Me!!!
1. my reasoning is slight superhuman due to the SSS serum yeah, i know he is only suppose to be peak.
2. cap's reaction time is far better then bats while bats would need to anticipate attacks and react accordingly to the possible attack. cap can actually see fast movement and react within the allotted time. this skill would have him avoiding, punches, kicks and other attacks from bats utility belt and batarang.
3. strength and durability is also in caps favor. cap should be able to hurt bats a little more effectively even with bat's kevlar armor then bats would be able to with cap's chain male.
4. cap's HF should help him keep fighting when bat's decides to employ the gas pellets... cap would have a higher tolerance and immunity to those attacks and could tank through it with minimum effort.
5. wpns although bat's has various pellets like cyro and gas bombs pellets cap's can avoid them or tank them and can even use his shield to break free from being encased by ice or blocking the attack in general. cap can also employ his shield for a ricochet attack or simply use it to pummel bats with it. bats kevlar shouldnt be able to resist cap's shield in the slightest. if cap was blood thirsty instead of pummeling he can use it to slice bats in half with it.

the other four i gave to bats for other various reasons like stealth shadow attacks using his full gear and having them land successfully although unlikely in the other scenarios i gave to cap. bats being able to avoid the more serious attacks that could immediately incapacitate him.

i hope this helps you understand why i gave it to cap for the majority.
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Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. An interesting take I must admit. I haven't read any of the new books with Dick as Batman so I won't comment, as to something I must be missing. He has a good shot if he carries the same gear as Wayne did. But Wayne is smarter and is a better fighter. Grayson would give Wayne fits b/c he knows his style. Cap is totally different.
2. Cap is the better skilled fighter, granted. But Slade has the better equipment and is physically supeior, smarter, faster thinker, and has a healing factor.

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Originally posted by Darth Martin
There's already a Slade vs Cap physical thread around here. See if you can find it. Cap has MORE feats and the vary in power. His shield will help but Slade has Promethium(DC's equivalent to adamantium) chainmail. His sword is also maded of it to. Hist staff is a very dangerous weapon.

In an open field or desert I'd think Cap would be at a disadvantage b/c of nothing for him to ricochet his shield off of.

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Originally posted by grimify
Batman's team, solidly.

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Originally posted by Wild Shadow
how is dick the weak link here?

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Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Dick hasn't really shown any feat superior to any of the combatants in CA's team.

I have my doubts he would even defeat Bucky.