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Stardust vs. Iceman
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Stardust vs. Iceman

Iceman continuses his quest against the Heralds. He has already Defeated/Stalemated Firelord in my other thread. How does he fair against Stardust??


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Go Bobby!!!

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he loses to stardust

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Bobby rapes

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Nice bait thread by the way,...I see you are butt-hurt

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Stardust easy.


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Kril would win, and Stardust win faster


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Dont know much about Stardust. Anyone care to explain his means of victory?


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twin singularities that pull bobby and his consciousness in seperate directions forever preventing it from being able to reconstitute?


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Originally posted by leonidas
twin singularities that pull bobby and his consciousness in seperate directions forever preventing it from being able to reconstitute?
Do singularities have that effect on a "consciousness"?


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beats me . . . depends on how you define consciousness i'd guess. another question would be--could bobby's consciousness survive a singularity?


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beats me . . . depends on how you define consciousness i'd guess. another question would be--could bobby's consciousness survive a singularity?
I'd need to see the effect of gravity on a psionic entity.

Though there is that one encounter with Prosh.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by leonidas
twin singularities that pull bobby and his consciousness in seperate directions forever preventing it from being able to reconstitute?


Here is the closest thing to a "singularity" that I can think of in Bobby's appearances.
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/15...forever6p28.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/...forever6p29.jpg
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/56...forever6p30.jpg
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/...forever6p31.jpg

The main question is would a physical pull work on a psychic entity? Somehow I doubt it

Looking up Stardust's bio: Stardust is an Ethereal, a race of beings of pure energy and being imbued with the Power Cosmic makes Stardust immortal, allowing him to reconstitute himself if "destroyed", such as during the Annihilation Wave or having its physical structure dispersed.

Just pointing out that Iceman has frozen energy before:

Celestial Ship/Programming
Bobby literally froze the programming that was infecting Prosh. The signal was frozen. He even went on to unfreeze portions of the ship without allowing the signal to go through to other areas. According to Creshosk:

"[To freeze the signal] you'd have to be freezing electricity or electromagnetic data itself... so either electrons or even smaller than that photons. At which point itd be possible for you to freeze anything in the electromagnetic radiation spectrum, radio waves, light... uv or x-rays, gamma rays."

For context, Prosh has been trying to fight his programming, but is no longer able to do so:
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/30...forever5p17.jpg

The feat itself:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/...forever5p19.jpg
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/...forever5p20.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/...forever5p21.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/17...ever5p227kd.jpg

The effect on Prosh:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/37...forever6p13.jpg

Stranger
Now, Stranger is a cosmic threat. On the level of power that holds being like the Silver Surfer and above. He has a physical body because he chooses to do so, not because he really needs one. He can control molecules like I control legos.

Even Jean says they are not powerful enough to defeat him:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/...er6p02and03.jpg

And yet, for all his power, Iceman still manages to freeze him. And not only him, which should be impressive enough, but his energy beams. They became pure ice. Hydrogen and Oxygen contained as energy? I doubt it. He froze something that was not water based.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/90...forever6p26.jpg

And he stays with the Celestial ships, keeping the Stranger immobilized while the ship shrank into itself and "teleported" to another section of the universe (Iceman made it out by turning into water vapor and reforming right before the ship totally collapsed).

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/...ever6p29ew7.jpg

Freezing Psi Energy
In the first, Iceman freezes (and you can see the shape of the frozen monster looking thingy) Psi Energy:
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/494/xmen199003.jpg

In another, he freezes the Vanisher mid teleport. I dont know how he teleports, but he looks half there, and energy-like. If someone can come up with a good reason, let me know.
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8627/17rj1.jpg
http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/1903/18lm4.jpg


This is just a sample of a longer post I had made in the Firelord thread.
Here it is if you want to view it.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...p;pagenumber=12

*Notice I never said any conclusion about the match. I've heard good things about Stardust, who has more versitility than Firelord. I just dont know enough about him to say anything conclusive.


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i knew he could freeze energy. could he freeze SD before SD formed the singularity (which he has done on panel)? i'd doubt it, personally.

not sure any of those scans really answer the question. didn't xorn kill black tom with a black hole? wasn't tom able to send out his consciousness into plants or something when he died? i'm reaching for any examples at all, admittedly because i can't think of any examples that would help answer the question. sad

i'd think that bobby's consciousness would be trapped and likely destroyed by the singularity. he would need to actually escape it's pull, and i don't think that would be possible for him. someone with more psi-powers, maybe, but since bobby's powers seem more like tranference than actual psi-power (ala marvel's usual psi's) i wouldn't think something like that would be within the scope of his power. but, i don't have examples so it's just a gut feeling. erm


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i knew he could freeze energy. could he freeze SD before SD formed the singularity (which he has done on panel)? i'd doubt it, personally.

not sure any of those scans really answer the question. didn't xorn kill black tom with a black hole? wasn't tom able to send out his consciousness into plants or something when he died? i'm reaching for any examples at all, admittedly because i can't think of any examples that would help answer the question. sad

i'd think that bobby's consciousness would be trapped and likely destroyed by the singularity. he would need to actually escape it's pull, and i don't think that would be possible for him. someone with more psi-powers, maybe, but since bobby's powers seem more like tranference than actual psi-power (ala marvel's usual psi's) i wouldn't think something like that would be within the scope of his power. but, i don't have examples so it's just a gut feeling. erm
Black Tom Cassidy's not dead. Though at the time he wasn't quite the same thing as bobby. Where' bobby's shell has been completely destroyed, during the fight with xorn Black Tom's wasn't. So they had to completely destroy his shell to get rid of him. So rather than being a psionic entity in a shell, like Booby, he was more of a monstrous regenerating plant.

Though I do have another feat of another omega level dealing with a black hole.


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quote: (post)
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Black Tom Cassidy's not dead. Though at the time he wasn't quite the same thing as bobby. Where' bobby's shell has been completely destroyed, during the fight with xorn Black Tom's wasn't. So they had to completely destroy his shell to get rid of him. So rather than being a psionic entity in a shell, like Booby, he was more of a monstrous regenerating plant.

Though I do have another feat of another omega level dealing with a black hole.


does it involve rachel . . .? shifty


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Well I think Blair kinda answered his own inquiry. If psionic energy can be frozen, as Bobby has done before, then Bobby, being a psionic being, should be affected by similar potent forces.

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