Disagree. In the DCU proper the Presence is the creator and everything. Let there be light and all that.
The Primal Monitor, to whom this creation/multiverse was an insignificant speck, didn't even notice this shit was happening, and sent a probe that eventually went bad started ****ing eating it. Mandrakk.
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Last edited by Juntai on Nov 17th, 2009 at 01:19 PM
I disagree, in the stories presented in continuity, the Presence not only acknowledged, but willingly, knowingly and with his own power created the multiverse and dimensions of DC.
The Primal Monitor didn't even notice these stories happening.
He sent a probe, that eventually began devouring it whole, which was to be the destiny of all the monitors eventually [had Superman not saved the day], them being revealed to be almost vampiric in nature, the more time they spent with the stories. In a not quite so different manner of white blood cells attacking a disease.
Unless something changes down the road, PM is the new supreme, far beyond the creator of stories, so far in fact, that it was insignificant.
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Last edited by Juntai on Nov 17th, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Because Grant Morrison possibly created an idea bigger than a creator?
Like I said, in continuity presented the Presence created the DC's primary multiverse and dimensions knowingly and with it's own power.
The Primal Monitor never even noticed this happening because it was so insignificant of an event to it.
They are clearly not the same being.
Unless something happens in continuity to change it, I'm more likely to believe that Presence was another another anomaly, another story, rather than believing he might be one in the same with a being that is presented on panel as completely different.
The Pax Dei showing up in the final battle inside of the multiverse may even lead credence to this idea. Suggesting even the world of the monitors where Superman battled the Dax Novu/Mandrakk was beyond conflict from heaven[and everyone else for that matter], because it certainly played it's hand against Ogama.
Granted, angels are no replacement for the creator himself, but they do represent the wishes of The Word/Presence. If the battle against Ogama was important enough, wouldn't the battle against the far superior Dax Novu be as well?
Also, God's Mercy and God's Wrath were left helpless against Ogama, who seems indetifiably far weaker than Dax Novu, the ultimate threat.
However, with help from Dax Novu's cosmic armor, powered by the ultimate story of the Presence's creation helped save all existance.
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Last edited by Juntai on Nov 17th, 2009 at 02:01 PM
I would agree with Juntai.. The Monitor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_(comics) and the Anti-Monitor represent 2 sides, one good and one evil side of the Primal Monitor. TGEB and The Presence seem to follow the same logic, but in a spiritual realm.. A weakened Mandrakk Ogama did say that The Spectre and The Radiant was Gods servants and main protectors in 'this universe' and he drained them of power but never thought of any of the other defenses it that the Creator put in place and was subsequently overwhelmed by it.
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