Clearly not at his original levels. Hell, we don't know even know if his even a cosmic cube anymore in Bendis' run. Current Beyond is a mutant/inhuman for example and he and Molecule Man are extremely tied together in regards to origin.
But from what we seen of him he was still bending things at will. He admitted before the fight even happened with Sentry that he never felt molecules on the level of his, so him losing to Sentry doesnt mean that he is weaker than his other persona.
Everyone seen him as the major threat that he has always been and we have nothing proving that he was weaker than his other counterparts so him being weaker is basically just a guess unless you are basing it off of him losing to Sentry.
He said he'd never felt molecules like Sentry's. Doesn't mean he never felt molecules on Sentry's level.
No not only the lose against Sentry. His potrayal since then. He was beaten by Aron a freaking Watcher. Since the retcon, the Molecule Man has been on a down ward spiral.
Seriously, Bendis' Molecule Man surviving a nuke is apparently in doubt.
Again, impressive feat for Sentry. That Molecule Man was clearly above Top Tier due to his molecular manipulation, but clearly not at his previous levels.
To be fair, I think I'll change my vote to Molecule Man winning since this is a forum fight and we use averages.
Like I said on average he would taking into account the characters. They'd fly in with Thor swinging his hammer, and Norrin flying like usual. Once Molecule Man destroys them, unlike Sentry they cannot reform from nothing. Of course their is also the possibility that Molecule Man folds because of his mind set.
I'm conflicted. Clearly either of team 2 have the power out put to put down this Molecule Man. Unfortunately Molecule Man control over molecules is strong enough that he could probably defeat either easily enough through it. I'll wait and see. Maybe Molecule Man control in his world is lacking even more than his power. Who knows.
Based on what? He beat Molecule Man. Big whoop. Molecule Man is far from the levels he was at. Heck, he was getting his ass whooped by Aron the Watcher long before this. Hell, according to Bendis' dialogue, it's doubtful whether this Molecule Man could survive a Nuke. A Nuke. Lulz...
People see the title Molecule Man, and immediately think Multiverse rocking entity. I doubt under Bendis if Beyonder is even capable of planet destruction. Seriously he retconned him into a Mutant/Inhuman.
On top of it all, if one instance immediately decides where every character is placed at, then Thor is at least Abstract level if not higher, Loki is a multiversal entity etc.
^Not that I know off. He can manipulate peoples minds and make them see what he wants through molecule manipulation so in that sense yes. Plain thought reading though I haven't see from him. Could be wrong though.
From what I can gather, and from what I have read, MM's powers are described as being no more taxing than arithmatic equations, which if accurate, would translate into the speed of thought, right? If this is indeed the case (doubtful), then by all rights, Thor/Surfer should be able to wreck him as both of them can travel in excess of the speed of thought. Not to mention Molecule Man has no durability to speak of as evidenced by Blake punching the holy hell out of him.
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Watcher is the real deal. Although Molecule Man is more powerful, sometimes it happens.
And with Sentry; he did it easily. Thor and Silver Surfer have no way of defeating or putting down Sentry. Sentry stomps them.
It seems there wasn't said for nothing Sentry stalemated Galactus. Only problem was that he didn't know how. Now, he knows.
During Secret Wars such a tactic would not have worked. After he removed his set limits, he could just reform himself from nothing. Of course on a board even if he can reform, after a certain time it would count as a win, but he should be able to reform instantly. Molecule Man during that period also had durability far beyond anyone besides Beyonder if he wanted.
Before Secret Wars such a tactic should have worked just fine. I can see such a tactic working now as well.
Again it's pretty clear Molecule Man is nothing close to his original levels.
Physically they cannot do anything to him, as he can reform. Fortunately someone like Thor can go beyond the physical. Sentry hasn't shown any resistance to something like say having your soul/life force drained as far as I know.
Stalemating Galactus sounds dubious at best, especially coming from a such a source of cosmic entities like Spider-Man. Hell, Reed stalemated/beat Galactus if you want to be technical.
MM is much more powerful than Thor and SS that he doesn't need to be at originals levels to defeat those two.
We don't know if that would work on Sentry (probably wouldn't as seeing how powerful Sentry is revealing to be). And we can say Sentry may only need a look to kill Thor or SS.
during illuminati, xavier was the one that believe beyonder was a mutant inhuman... beyonder acted the part when the illuminati faced him...
but throughout the entire issue:when black bolt was asked which inhuman could have become the beyonder... he tells xavier that he can't remember a single inhuman that did or could have become the beyonder...
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