__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Abraxas is overrated. Galactus level being whose highest feats were beating some alternate reality Galactus' off panel and therefore in unknown circumstances.
Hes so highly regarded because he was finally defeated by Reed using the UN to stop him. The application of the UN on Eternity reset Eternity 616 and therefore all actions Abraxas did. Abraxas caused destruction throughout the multiverse therefore having been reset that destruction never happened therefore the multiverse was restored.
Does that mean that the UN reset the multiverse?
Indirectly
Directly
Is the UN a bonafide multiversal power? Not according to the vast majority of Marvel continuity both before and after the incident.
Even the handbooks refer to it as universal and they attribute universal restoration to the UN directly.
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Last edited by GalacticStorm on Jan 21st, 2010 at 07:51 PM
People that use handbooks as evidence are lame ducks.
Highly regarded because Roma stated as much that there is only one abraxas in the entire multiverse
and that Roma as the omniversal guardian had nothing on abraxas
And that afterthe un was used all realities were reset and each reality us a timeline/universe and all part of eternity
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
People who ignore handbooks when they support what is stated on panel and in the majority of continuity are ineffective debators.
Do not confuse nature with power. Having no counterparts in the universe does not have any direct correlation to someones level of power. Rachel Grey also has no counterparts.
Please do not confuse role with power. Roma is omniversal guardian and yet inherently without access to machinery and devices she is no universal power.
Captain Universe and Quasar are universal protectors, they both would get decimated by Silver Surfer.
Just to summarize, nature does not directly correlate with power.
The UN reset Eternity 616. Therefore Abraxas' actions never occurred, therefore everything he did in the multiverse never ocurred. That equates to an indirect reset of the multiverse. That retains the UN's long held status within Marvel continuity as a universal destroyer. This was the case before this incident and after. This point is supported within the handbooks.
The interpretation that the UN directly reset the entire multiverse is in conflict with the majority of continuity and all handbook entries.
That says it all. However people will choose the interpretation that better fits their own ideas on how Marvel continuity should be as opposed to what it most clearly is shown to be. Each to their own
The un ended all there was...
In the same comic eternity is referred to as all there is was and will be
he is all realities and timelines
And it says reed ended all there was and the realities realigned. Our 616 wasn't reset... Becuase ther are differences to our timeline after the firing o the un...
And abraxas feared nothing in the combined universes except for the un.
So in all the multiverse the only thing he feared was the un
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Up to a device inflicted limit of universal scale nullification.
Thats been stated many a time on panel and up until that incident and afterwards as well thats all thats been stated or shown. In support of that the handbooks give the UN the same limit.
That incident in the comic can be interpreted as Abraxas being nullified therefore he and everything he did across the multiverse disappeared as a result. That doesnt make the UN a multiversal power. The restoration of the multiverse happened as a result of its direct application to Abraxas which meant he never caused destruction across the multiverse. This is in line with the limits placed on the UN within continuity and the handbooks have put that interpretation forward as the one to be taken as continuity.
I can understand why people would believe the UN directly went across the multiverse nullifying everything, but since when has it worked like that and with such a range? That is without a doubt contrary to continuity and the handbooks
Except that to interpret that only abraxas was hit is to misread the comic entirely
eternity stated to representative of all time lines and realities
galactus tells reed to end time
reed fires upon all that is
reed tells us all the realities realign after the event
reed did not fire at abraxas
to reed that is to have looked at the picture in those comics without reading the narration and statments...
Or going off handbook fallacies.
Go on. Go reread those four issues and see if it says anything close to reed firing at abraxas.
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Really? It's been raining here for days. It sucks cause I can't go running outside and it's driving me crazy.
And if the storms a brewing I blame Thor
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
i honestly don't think i've ever seen that comic before?
is it a marvel issue? and if so do you know what issue?
oh dear god i'm curious
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
That's from Neil Gaiman's superior Sandman from Vertigo, #59. The goat-ish guy is Puck from A Midsummer Night's Dream. The fiendish guy narrating the tale is Loki.
It's really kick ass...i recommend you read it, as you seem to be interested in cosmic/pantheon characters...that's all Sandman is.
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"It is unwise to battle the Power Cosmic." - Silver Surfer
True...I grew up loving mythology before I got into comics
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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Abraxas vs Celestial Nulifier
Jan 21st, 2010 03:48 AM
