The Phoenix is beyond both. As confirmed by the Handbook and the feats of the Phoenix Force and its avatars, the Force is multiversal.
Infinity is a universal abstract that taps into the universes ambient energies, the power gem like the other infinity gems tap into the power of the Big Bang and is very much universal.
If an avatar of the Force, one not even wielding its full power (as evidenced by the fact that there were dozens of other empowered avatars present) can manipulate all that is the universe in the palm of her hand, then that avatars power levels are grossly superior to the little abstracts who are aspects of said universe whose atomic structure she manipulated in her palm.
The full Phoenix Force is beyond any universal abstract or artifact.
Its a rock. Infinity is a two-dimensional drawn character, ergo paper. Paper beats rock. However in certain fanfiction Jean Gray is a lesbian. Lesbians scissor. Scissors beats paper.
Phoenix wins.
Insane troll logic is fun.
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to him who loved them so.
Where the faint murmurs now dwindling
echo o’er tide and shore."
-A Grave Epitaph in Santa Rosa County, Florida; I wish I could remember the man's name.
Here's the Shiar at the end of the issue,
explaining the "Eleka'an Event Horizon" they used on the PF.
The PF survived by escaping at the last moment,
but it was still injured, dying, meh, literally shattered AGAIN!
"The Force was later ripped back to reality by a Shiar device
that forcibly reconstituted it. Injured, the Force fell ....
searched for Jean and, finding her DEAD, resurrected her ..."
Anytime, anyone, anywhere destroyed a universe, that's Infinity getting her ass kicked.
The Phoenix Force has destroyed the universe a couple of times over. That's kicking Infinity's ass and every other abstract and creature within said universe.
When did the PF destroy a universe? I've seen the PF get beaten back by the X-Men and Ultraforce. When a planetary attack shatters it into a million pieces, that's like getting beaten up by Infinity's skin cell.
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That's an alternate reality's universal aspect of Infinity, not 616 Infinity.
Infinity is a single conscience across the infinite realities, and that means,
even Infinity's alternates speak as though they are the "Totality" of Infinity,
we know this because of an on panel account concerning an alternate Eternity.
Now, if you can re-arrange and/or destroy the 616 Reality, you score big points,
because on panel accounts tells us 616 is the source of all.
The PF has never destroyed a universe outside of a "What if" title.
... it's done that twice,
which is enough to supplant it as a universal power concerning "What ifs",
but evidently it's durability is ...
which makes it vulnerable to the likes of "Alien starships" (almost got killed by one)
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Sep 21st, 2010 12:44 AM
Phoenix hype yall!
