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Crom Vs Odin

Old Post Oct 4th, 2010 07:09 PM
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zopzop
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I'm gonna go ahead and say Crom.

He's been around longer and in an issue of Thor, he traveled back in time to the Age of Conan. It seemed like Crom was having his way with both Thor and Mjolnir's enchantments.

Let me try and find the issue number.

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Crom laughs at your Odin. Laughs from his mountain. Odin is stronger. He is the everlasting sky. Crom lives underneath him smile

They almost could be the same guy. They both have Valhalla for example.

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Meh, I just googled it, my Thor/Crom reference was from a What If sad

Oh well. I still say Crom. He did bind Shuma-Gorath up and we all know what a beast he is.


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By Crom ftw.


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^

And doesn't Crom have a Mephisto-esque quality to his powers? ie. he is all powerful within his own realm, but outside of it not so much..?


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Originally posted by zopzop
Oh well. I still say Crom. He did bind Shuma-Gorath up and we all know what a beast he is.
off panel. id also like to add that from a power and look standpoint, the conan-verse version of shuma seemed WAY different than his mainstream incarnation. i mean even after he was released in the conan-verse all it took was reading from 3 iron-clad books to beat him there.

like i said, he's never been portrayed as that meager of a threat in mainstream marvel. he gave frigging sis-neg a good battle.


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^ Agreed on all accounts.

Here's the mentioning of Crom 'beating' Shuma:
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1300/shuma1.jpg

The above 'beating' apparently took place eons ago when Crom sent three iron-clad books to a shaman. The shaman used these books to imprison Shuma within a mountain:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7747/shuma2.jpg
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1894/shuma3.jpg
http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/8571/shuma4.jpg
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/416/shuma5.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7861/shuma6.jpg

After finding these books, Conan was able to banish Shuma (who had obviously been released) via throwing them at him:
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9374/shuma7.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4332/shuma8.jpg
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6886/shuma9.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/4884/shuma10.jpg


And like you mentioned before, Shuma's appearance in Conan The Barbarian was vastly different than any of his other appearances. He seemed far less powerful.

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Why is it so hard to believe a "God" beat Shuma's ass on Earth when Strange schooled him in his own freaking realm? confused

Still going with Crom on this one.

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Why is it so hard to believe a "God" beat Shuma's ass on Earth
No one is denying that Crom 'beat' that poor interpretation of Shuma. I was just pointing out that the 'by proxy' manner in which he did so seemed a bit... Odd.

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when Strange schooled him in his own freaking realm? confused
Context. Before fighting Shuma, Strange absorbed the power of a demon who could "become as strong as he could imagine" -- a demon whose power was "not even finite." Shuma even noted Strange's boost in power during their battle.

It's not like Strange just *poofed* into Shuma's realm and schooled him.

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Originally posted by john allerdyce
he gave frigging sis-neg a good battle.

No, he didn't. The only reason Sise-Neg didn't kill him was that it would take more energy than he could be bothered with to do so.


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^ True but its still pretty impressive that one of the most powerful fellas in Marvels history would have had to exhaust much of his power to beat Shuma.


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I say Crom. I dont know about Odin needing prayers to keep his power at flow but Crom dont need it, I know Zues does. He is the kind of god that doesnt want ppl to know about him. His name is used more of a curse word lol thats y Conan uses it alot.

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[B]No one is denying that Crom 'beat' that poor interpretation of Shuma. I was just pointing out that the 'by proxy' manner in which he did so seemed a bit... Odd.


But he beat him though. That's all that counts smile

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Context. Before fighting Shuma, Strange absorbed the power of a demon who could "become as strong as he could imagine" -- a demon whose power was "not even finite." Shuma even noted Strange's boost in power during their battle.

It's not like Strange just *poofed* into Shuma's realm and schooled him.


Oh trust me, he schooled them both (Arioch and Shuma) in their own realms which makes it more embarrassing. One of them, Arioch, was supposedly as strong as he wanted to be, yet Strange absorbed him completely. It wasn't much of a fight either. Arioch was even fooled by simple illusions!

Next came Shuma, a little back and forth, then Strange hurls a voodoo doll flaming simulacrum of Earth at Shuma, fights over. In his realm. Where he's supposedly omnipotent. laughing

Color me unimpressed.

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This fight would depend on the age (era) of the deities in question. Crom drew his power from his worshippers, so in modern times Odin would waste him, as Aquilonia no longer exists.


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Sorry to say but Crom did not drew his powers from worshippers. Cause he doesnt like ppl. He doesnt even want ppl to know of him. That is zues that drew his powers from worshippers.

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Sorry to say but Crom did not drew his powers from worshippers. Cause he doesnt like ppl. He doesnt even want ppl to know of him. That is zues that drew his powers from worshippers.



Sorry to say but he had worshippers. Have you ever once read a Conan book? How many times in one book has Conan or Red Sonja called on Crom for strength? I'll let you know that it was a lot.


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Yes they call apon him but not alot. Crom's name they use more as a curse word like F..k or s... yes I have alot of conan books. If he does have worshippers then its not like zues where he needs them to gain power from them. If u have ever read the books or played the game it will tell u that he wasnt worshiped like the others but he was more powerful then the others.

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Yes they call apon him but not alot. Crom's name they use more as a curse word like F..k or s... yes I have alot of conan books. If he does have worshippers then its not like zues where he needs them to gain power from them. If u have ever read the books or played the game it will tell u that he wasnt worshiped like the others but he was more powerful then the others.


I have several Conan comics, and you're wrong. They call on him for strength. In a what If comic, Thor went back in time to Conan's era, and it was stated, that in that era Thor was little more than a man.

Perhaps you could find it, and it would change you opinion on the subject. Deities have always drawn strength from their worshipers. Crom was no different. Like I said read the book, and check out what he tells Thor, about that being his era, and how he held all of the cards at that point in time.


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Crom is not a selfish, jealous, or petty God. He makes no claims about being the 'only' God, the 'one true God', or any other such self - gratifying remarks, for Crom's self does not need serving. He is beyond that, and he is greater than those Gods who clamour and beg for mortal recognition. What need hath the Great Crom of such? He is Great because he seeks not to further his Greatness. Only a lesser god need do that. Bah! The lesser gods know nothing of Crom's might, and are as mortals next to Father Crom. I must not b going of the comics where he meets thor but this is how they put Crom in the conan books. Ill check where he meets thor. It will take me some time to find the comic on the net tho.

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