The illuminati in both even with maxam...
Now throw in the real infinity watch member thanos and you have a fight
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Blackbolt, Xavier, Strange, Mr. Fantastic... that's some power you have there.
I don't see them losing.
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First off it's 7 vs 5...
While dr strange gets warlock
Xavier goes against moondragon
Black panther gets gamora
Drax vs black bolt...
Pip takes on the raining namor/mr fantastic/ and iron man... Basically he gets raped...
Even with maxam in... Iron man could handle him
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"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Yeah she would. Given the way she was chumping Rogue and She Hulk during the Infinity War I'd say there's a decent chance she could take BP and Namor at the same time(or at least beat BP and then keep Namor occupied for the rest of the fight)...
You mean like what happens when someone like captain america faces the hulk... Mr Hyde... The wrecking crew etc... And then suddenly loses to a gang of thugs...
Gamora didn't look too uber when faced with the minions from the church of life... *cough*
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"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
Gamora's not really comparible to Captain America. The girl's got superhuman strength and a healing factor...
I don't really know what you're talking about in regards to the CoL because I haven't been following the story, but if the grunts were able to take down Post Annihilation Gamora with ease then I'd say that it just shows how bad the CoL is...
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Since the infinity watch days... Not even: post annihilation but during annihilation she hasn't had many feats that put her above someone like captain America. She kicked drax and made him cough up a power gem. Cap gone up against how many similar foes...
And back during infinity watch she hulk als punched surfer as hard as he could and got nowhere with her punch... Doesn't show she hulk as being that powerful... Recent comparison of the black panther arm lock on surfer...
She doesn't really have many feats I can think of if any that puts her even above someone like captain America much less wolverine
__________________ Quotes from Hia8:
"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
As a quick ie. Elektra took on several super powered skrulls That would easily be comparable to rogue/she hulk
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"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
She's not the kind of character who throws things around or gets involved in big displays of strength, but that doesn't mean that we just ignore her given abilities...
She doesn't need to have her level of strength constantly reestablished when she doesn't have a single showing to indicate that she no longer has superhuman strength. There's a big difference between suffering from low showings and suffering from a lack of showings. A lack of showings just means that the evidence that does exist is that much more relevant.
Lemme put this another way. There are plenty of other martial artists who take on bricks and do well. What has she done that shows that against another top level martial artist she would fair well.
Oh and thanks for the scans. Is that from infinite watch or some other issues?
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"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
She's considered as the best martial artist in the MU, nicknamed "The most dangerous woman in the galaxy". She would mop the floor with Black Panther, and probably do the same with Namor.
Match 1: Without Maxam, Illuminati win:
Strange > Warlock
Ol' Chuck = Moondragon
Black Bolt >= Drax
Black Panther and Namor < Gamora
It leaves Pip, Fantastic and Iron Man. Iron Man is the decising factor here.
If you add Maxam, then you have a brick well over 100 tons limit, with fighting skills and with the abilities to resist mind controlling. Him and Moondragon beat the shit out of Chuck in like, 2 seconds, and then can go on other dudes. Moondragon isn't Gamora but can still hold her own against anyone on the other team bare Strange and Blackagar Boltagon. Maxam can outpower physically anyone on the field bare Drax (his own teammate) and Black Bolt.
Richards is a non issue. And Pip can bfr Iron Man, Richards, Black Panther and Namor.
Match 2: With the gems, even if the members of the Illuminatis are more apt to use them properly, only Warlock and Moondragon know how to use them at their maximum potential. If Warlock can kill Strange and Moondragon beat Charles Xavier, than the Infinity Watch win this. If Illuminati have some training, I don't see how they would stop Black Bolt, who have the friggin' Space Gem. Talk about scary.
So, without training: IW
With training: Illuminati
Are we using current versions or the Illuminati members as they were at, let's say, when they launched Hulk into space?
Cause current Strange sucks and without prep Reed is also not that much of a factor. Just saying.
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