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The greatest being in each tier of power....

Street Level
Enhanced
Herald
Trans
Skyfather
Elder God
Cube Being
Abstract/High End Cosmic
God Tier

Who would you pick as the greatest/most powerful being for each of the above tiers?

As pertains this thread, we are not breaking things down into low, mid, high...so its just the overall greatest/most powerful for each tier.

Also, TOAA is not included as he is a given...

No artifacts...in other words, no IG or HotU...sentient beings only. Thus Cube Beings are allowed, but no immature cubes.


So once again, who would you pick?

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Re: The greatest being in each tier of power....

Street Level - Wolverine
Enhanced - Graviton
Herald - Silver Surfer or Thor
Trans - Thanos easily
Skyfather - Odin easily
Elder God - Demogorge
Cube Being - Any, they all the same
Abstract/High End Cosmic - Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion they all equal
God Tier - LT

IMHO you need something below God Tier but above abstract : Avatar Force.

I'd put the PF there even though I love the GF.


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What is Genis considered?

Or Spiderman and Iron Fist?

Thanos is skyfather.


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@zopzop

Excellent list; I agree with it for the most part...

I've always thought of Wolvie as a low to mid enhanced though as he is clearly superhuman; I've always thought of Street Levelers (in the case of the best of them) as peak humans with tons of intense training...

Question...what tier would you put the 2000ft Destroyer in? What tier would you put Mephisto (within the heart of Hell) in?


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What makes you think Thanos is a Skyfather?


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Avatar Force? What would seperate it (them) from Abstracts/High Emd Cosmics?


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Avatar Force? What would seperate it (them) from Abstracts/High Emd Cosmics?


I just like it as a separate category ever since I saw it in Marvel Tarot.

I'm a sucker for the occult LoM big grin


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I just like it as a separate category ever since I saw it in Marvel Tarot.

I'm a sucker for the occult LoM big grin


Gotcha! smile


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@zopzop

Excellent list; I agree with it for the most part...

I've always thought of Wolvie as a low to mid enhanced though as he is clearly superhuman; I've always thought of Street Levelers (in the case of the best of them) as peak humans with tons of intense training...

Question...what tier would you put the 2000ft Destroyer in? What tier would you put Mephisto (within the heart of Hell) in?


@Mindset

What makes you think Thanos is a Skyfather?
His feats.


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You know, as pertains the Silver Surfer and Thor, that is a hard one to call...

On one hand, Surfer is really strong as pertains to matter/energy manipulation, but Thor counters that with the God Blast...

Its most likely a situation where they are (as a whole) equal, but Surfer is more versatile while Thor is more combat capable...


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Originally posted by Mindset
His feats.


Such as?

I've never seen Thanos do some of the stuff that I've seen a Skyfather like Odin, Surter, or even Seth do...

Give me some examples of him weilding Skyfather level power...


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@Mindset

Btw, I dont know where to put Genis, but Spiderman and Iron fist are definitely Enhanced Tier characters...


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Such as?

I've never seen Thanos do some of the stuff that I've seen a Skyfather like Odin, Surter, or even Seth do...

Give me some examples of him weilding Skyfather level power...
Having an extended fight with Odin while SS was like a gnat.

Fighting Tyrant while other heralds got raped.


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is this a marvel only thread? haven't seen one dc character's name in here at all


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Having an extended fight with Odin while SS was like a gnat.

Fighting Tyrant while other heralds got raped.


Thanos proved great durability during his fight with Odin, but that doesnt prove he has Skyfather level power; Classic Juggs has tremendous damage soak and he isnt a Skyfather...

Besides, Thanos's attacks did practically nothing to Odin (while a true Skyfather like Seth was actually able to harm Odin); IMHO this is not proof that Thanos is a Skyfather level character...

The Odinforce has proven capable of teleporting the entire human race to another dimension...THAT is Skyfather level power...show me a scan of Thanos doing something on par with that then you'll have a legit argument.

As pertains fighting Tyrant, Thanos was amped with that globe; this isnt conclusive evidence that Thanos is a Skyfather...

Surter busted a galaxy forging Twilight...does Thanos has any feat that comes anywhere close to this?


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But the way he was DOMINATED by a true Skyfather clearly places him in the Trans Tier. Above Herald but below Skyfather.

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Question...what tier would you put the 2000ft Destroyer in? What tier would you put Mephisto (within the heart of Hell) in?


Mephisto in his realm? High skyfather, like Odin. Just like Odin has complete and total control over the land of Asgard and it's inhabitants, Mephisto likewise has in his realm.

2000ft Destroyer? High Elder God or Low Cube Being Tier. Even though it's feats may LOOK impressive, keep in mind it didn't damage any of the Celestials. Compare what the 2000ft Destroyer did to what Jean did with the sliver of the PF she had (she channeled the power of a world of mutants and fed it to Cyclops and he blew off Arshiem's "Hand of Judgement", the Celestials then left the planet alone) did.


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Originally posted by psycho gundam
is this a marvel only thread? haven't seen one dc character's name in here at all


Nope...not Marvel only at all...feel free to include DC characters; as long as you can defend them being the greatest in any of the tiers given.

I personally would place Batman as the greatest of the Street Levelers; Captain America is superhuman (he once stated he could run a mile in a little over a minute...running 50+mph=superhuman) so he wouldnt fit in this catagory...

Anyway, this definitely isnt Marvel only...


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What is Genis considered?

Or Spiderman and Iron Fist?

Thanos is skyfather.


idk.

i'd say Genis is a cube being.


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Mephisto in his realm? High skyfather, like Odin. Just like Odin has complete and total control over the land of Asgard and it's inhabitants, Mephisto likewise has in his realm.

2000ft Destroyer? High Elder God or Low Cube Being Tier. Even though it's feats may LOOK impressive, keep in mind it didn't damage any of the Celestials. Compare what the 2000ft Destroyer did to what Jean did with the sliver of the PF she had (she channeled the power of a world of mutants and fed it to Cyclops and he blew off Arshiem's "Hand of Judgement", the Celestials then left the planet alone) did. [/B]


Agreed 100% about Mephisto...

About the Destroyer and Jean...in Thor 300, the Celestial the Destroyer sliced the arm off of begun to regenerate it immediately. Arishem didnt automatically regenerate his hand?

Not disputing your belief of where the 2000ft Destroyer tiers at btw as High Elder God or Low Cube is reasonable, but that attack against Arishem causing the Celestials to leave the planet seems kinda funny to me...


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The PF optic blast blew his hand clean off. And it didn't regenerate. It was a smoldering mess and they up and left. I guess the planet proved itself worthy and they spared it.


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Thanos proved great durability during his fight with Odin, but that doesnt prove he has Skyfather level power; Classic Juggs has tremendous damage soak and he isnt a Skyfather...

Besides, Thanos's attacks did practically nothing to Odin (while a true Skyfather like Seth was actually able to harm Odin); IMHO this is not proof that Thanos is a Skyfather level character...

The Odinforce has proven capable of teleporting the entire human race to another dimension...THAT is Skyfather level power...show me a scan of Thanos doing something on par with that then you'll have a legit argument.

As pertains fighting Tyrant, Thanos was amped with that globe; this isnt conclusive evidence that Thanos is a Skyfather...

Surter busted a galaxy forging Twilight...does Thanos has any feat that comes anywhere close to this?
And Juggs is empowered by an Elder God level being, is he not? I don't see how that is at all analogous to Thanos. Full power Juggs can take blasts to no effect that may even hurt Skyfathers eg Thor's God blast.

Seth was at a level closer than Thanos was to Odin. Terrax and SS are both herald level characters, yet one is vastly stronger than the other, does that mean that Terrax is below herald level?

You seem to be under the misguided reasoning that Thanos must show power on the level of Odin, arguably the most powerful skyfather, for him to be a skyfather...this makes no sense. Again, I'll point you to Terrax and SS.

An orb with which Thanos kept after his fight with Tyrant and added to his own power.

I'm not sure you realize how little sense you are making in trying to require Thanos to have the feats of the strongest skyfathers in order to make him skyfather himself. Is there only one level of skyfather, are skyfathers unique in comparison to ever other level of power in this regard?
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But the way he was DOMINATED by a true Skyfather clearly places him in the Trans Tier. Above Herald but below Skyfather.

@LordofMurder


Mephisto in his realm? High skyfather, like Odin. Just like Odin has complete and total control over the land of Asgard and it's inhabitants, Mephisto likewise has in his realm.

2000ft Destroyer? High Elder God or Low Cube Being Tier. Even though it's feats may LOOK impressive, keep in mind it didn't damage any of the Celestials. Compare what the 2000ft Destroyer did to what Jean did with the sliver of the PF she had (she channeled the power of a world of mutants and fed it to Cyclops and he blew off Arshiem's "Hand of Judgement", the Celestials then left the planet alone) did.


A trans level being is not dispatching the highest level of heralds without breaking a sweat. A trans level being is not even going to be able to contend with Odin or Tyrant.


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