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What's considered Standard equipment for Mystique?


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What's considered Standard equipment for Mystique?

IIRC she can make basic weapons with her shapeshifting.


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Cassandra. She has fought shapeshifters before (at first they took her off guard, but then she studied 'em for awhile and got used to where to hit).


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I'm undecided. I have no doubt Cassie is a better fighter, but how hard is it to hurt Mystique? Can she shift organs around, speed-heal, etc?

Though if Q99 is right and this isn't the first time Cassie has beaten shifters, that's telling.


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Yo.

only way Mystique beats her is by either a psyche-out OR a sneak atk; a straight up fight means Raven gets dat hiney *spanked!*




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Mystique is an accomplished fighter, one of the best around. And she had shown her shapesifting can take varying degrees such as shiftin her molecules to phase through stuff before iirc

I'd honestly put her hand to hand up There with cable or wolverine.


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i wouldnt place her as high as those you mention.

maybe a 5 alongside someone like cable due to "his" fighting style but nowhere near some one like Logan.

besides she uses guns and knifes...


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Mystique. The phasing scan is ambiguous, but she has plenty of super shifting feats regardless- her capacity to constantly shift vital organs around, increase her speed and strength to superhuman levels, cloak with her surroundings, grow extra limbs etc. give her an obvious advantage. Coupled with her own capable hand-to-hand abilities, she takes this.

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Though if Q99 is right and this isn't the first time Cassie has beaten shifters, that's telling.


I should say "fought" rather than beat. The first time, she had trouble (but was beginning to read her before the end, and the shapeshifter, Gemini, had backup), but studied her movements, learned what she was protecting, watched videos of shapeshifters, etc.. The second time she fought Gemini's team, Gemini herself didn't show so no proper rematch.

Gemini, was more of an Elongated-Man type who could branch her arms out into a half-dozen tendrils to grab Cass, in addition to protecting organs, btw, better shapeshiving than 'Tique in other words.


Cass learns to read from their body movements what matters to them, and then strikes accordingly. Learn the weakness of the individual.


Mystique's pretty good in HtH, but I don't put her high enough to win even with her powers.


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Gemini usually takes the form of animals and yes she stretches but she isnt a competent fighter as she is more of a newb character and daughter to the original madame rouge.

i wouldnt compare her fighting skills nor experience to mystique lets not up play her abilities and ignore that she was easily knocked out by beast boys's right hook.

Cassandra isnt going to have the luxury to study Mystique prior to the fight nor would her learning on the fly really benefit her when she could be seriously injured by someone who can also fight as well as shapeshift


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i wouldnt compare her fighting skills nor experience to mystique lets not up play her abilities and ignore that she was easily knocked out by beast boys's right hook.


But her shapeshifting was much higher level than Mystique's, and she had the jump on Cass, and the only reason she won was Monseur Mallah as backup. Cass was still learning to read her during the fight before watching the videos.

After the videos, now she has experience reading the skillful Madame Rouge too.


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Cassandra isnt going to have the luxury to study Mystique prior to the fight nor would her learning on the fly really benefit her when she could be seriously injured by someone who can also fight as well as shapeshift


But unless and until Mystique makes major changes, Cass's reading and skills will help her on the defense (and Cain's definitely faster in any case), and she'll know to look for how Mystique is using her shifting due to having seen other shifters in play and knowing what to look for.

Cassandra's not likely to get injured fast knowing she's a shapeshifter, and after a few exchanges she should have Mystique's number on where she's hiding her organs and such and go right for them.


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Mystique. The phasing scan is ambiguous, but she has plenty of super shifting feats regardless- her capacity to constantly shift vital organs around, increase her speed and strength to superhuman levels, cloak with her surroundings, grow extra limbs etc. give her an obvious advantage. Coupled with her own capable hand-to-hand abilities, she takes this.


Even without phasing, this is what I was talking about. I don't know if Cassie can land a telling blow if Mystique keeps shifting around her form.


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mistique has never phased through anything, she simply camouflaged herself by shifting into the exact visual patterns of the wall and leaning against it. She still takes this. it's as simple as getting close and quickly going sea urchin on her ass like the picture shows. she also has a low grade, but decent enough healing factor and superhuman stats.

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As urchin-y as she is in that picture shouldn't be much problem. Her shapeshifting attacks are reasonably fast, but not so fast they can't be dodged.

Mystique's powers are IMO what makes this a fight, but are not enough for a win.


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she can urchin further, trying to find a scan

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Uh, Laura isn't putting down Mystique IMO. Logan was barely able to walk away when they last fought each other. Mystique's title series gave her a huge skill/damage soak boost.


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