Normally, I'd agree, but the strange thing is when you compare his fight to KC Superman, who is stated and shown (both in Kingdom Come and in the spin offs) to be clearly superior to mainstream Superman, whom mainstream Captain Marvel generally stalemates. There's no logical reason for Captain Marvel being amped or more powerful in the future storyline of Kingdom Come, but he is. And I believe Alex Ross himself has stated that he feels Captain Marvel should be at least equal to Superman regardless.
I don't think their fight showed them as that equal though- Superman shrugged several of his lightning blasts, normally a winning move, and grabbed him.
Also, while KC Superman is superior to classic, he's not so superior that someone who was a close match for him before isn't still a major challenge.
hercules was able to punch normal superman through a building while busting his nose and making him bleed, KC Superman didnt even get budge/phased whats so ever by the same punch
KC is alot more powerful not to mention 20 years more of solar energy
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Cap was not fighting to his best either. In fact it made him fight carelessly.
He was brainwashed, but not fighting with any sort of bloodlusted frenzy, it was a 'cocky' disposition if anything.
Not to mention Spectre tells us before hand that Cap is the one man who can match Clark's every move. No need to attempt to dissect and make inferences more in line with personal favor, when we have everything we need within the story telling us what is what.
KC Superman was trying to talk to Billy because he felt he had no other choice. What was he going to do? KO Billy before the Anti-Meta Nuke came down? He obviously didn't have the ability to do that.
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I think Ross and Co. made it very clear that Captain Marvel was an equal to Superman in that story, hence why it was such a huge deal when it was revealed that Luthor had him at his disposal.
superman was also bleeding all over the place while captian marvel was just laughing at him. I think billy was much stronger in the future as well as supes. However i still think supes was slightly stronger then cap as he always has been.
Superman hadn't particularly attacked him until he grabbed his mouth. Of course CM was fine. Superman was bleeding, but definitely not out, after taking an amount of attacks that'd KO current Superman if they were done by normal CM.
I see no reason 'normal' CM lightning strikes wouldn't do that much damage.
How is that a cheap shot??? If you put your hands on someone in a threatining manner and they don't like it what are they supposed to do. After he elbowed Superman it''s Supermans fault for not following through.
If I come up behind you talking shit and put my hands on you are you going to let me get away with that? No you are going to elbow me. Then you are going to rock me like Hercules rocked Superman. Not a cheap shot at all!!!!
They're from different universes, but Superman in Kingdom Come is stated to be stronger than he was before the events of KC due to constant solar absorption; the older he gets and the more sun he gets, the stronger he gets.
Captain Marvel, logically, should always have a fixed power level outside of ascending to the Wizard's post as Keeper of the Rock of Eternity or plot dependent amps. So in terms of Kingdom Come, either:
Captain Marvel in his prime, pre-Magog and new gen of heroes, was stronger than Superman before his seclusion from the rest of the world.
Or.
Captain Marvel's powers somehow increased to match KC's Superman, who was stated to be x more powerful than he was before. And when KC Superman arrives in mainstream Earth, the power difference between he and Superman is apparent. Not "oh my god" staggering, but visible to see.
Either KC Captain Marvel's power level was matched to meet KC Superman as his power increased due to constant solar absorption or KC Captain Marvel by default was more powerful than Superman until years passed and he absorbed that much sun juice. If we look at Alex Ross' take on the whole thing, he firmly believes that Cap is some aspects is dead equal or superior to Superman.
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