How does GEB solo? At best he was equal to the Presence, but we all saw with the Primal Monitor, that their are powers beyond the Presence and hence GEB.
Beyonder is comparable to the Primal Monitor. Just as the Presence and his creation were amoeba to the Primal Monitor, mainstream Marvel reality was to the Beyonder.
So Primal Monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presence=GEB>God ST>>>>>Micheal=Lucifer.
HoM Wanda tore apart and remade the entire Marvel OMNIVERSE. Mxy did the same thing to the DC OMNIVERSE. Either of those two can solo the Beyonder, but everyone else on that list gets destroyed.
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The only thing that can affect the GEB is Presence light, irrc. Beyonder doesn't have the power to defeat him. It would likey result in a stalemate or GEB eventually defeating him.
Your argument is based entirely on the idea of the Beyonder and Primal Monitor being equivalent, and despite their seemingly similar natures, they are not.
Beyonder was not omnipotent, as shown on panel. GEB is half an omnipotent, and as such is omnipotent itself until proven otherwise.
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That's ridiculous. Just because their respective multiverses are viewed as minuscule doesn't mean they're equivalent in power.
The Primal Monitor didn't exist at the same time as the GEB. GEB, as he was last portrayed, was omnipotent along with the Presence. Even if the Primal Monitor was more powerful though, the GEB is omnipotent within the DC multiverse. That's more than the Beyonder can say, going by feats.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
You know it is quite possible that the GEB, the Presence, and the Primal Monitor are all different facets of the same being.
There were hints to that effect in Final Crisis where the Angels of Pax Dei fought alongside the Champions of the Monitors (Supermen) and responded to Nix Uotan's summons along with the Forever People (agents of the Source). Not even touching on the GLC's presence and their connection to the Light.
Going by Morrison's view I'd say he sees DC Cosmology as a kind of syncretic hydra of sorts with multiple heads representing the same body.
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EXACTLY equivalent? No, I never said that. I said SIMILAR enough that we can make comparisons between them.
Good grief. That doesn't change anything. Since the Presence (the GEB's equivalent) exists/existed at the time the Primal Monitor was introduced. And the Primal Monitor viewed the Presence and it's creation as an amoeba. Hence the Primal Monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>Presence=GEB.
If you really believe GEB has greater feats than the Beyonder you need to check his respect thread. NOTHING in Marvel was his equal at the time. He was literally above the rest of the Marvel multiverse combined. GEB met his match in the Presence.
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No but really, there are strong hints to that effect, and against. I think everyone over at DC just makes up stuff without consulting each other. Either that or they're intentionally f***ing with us.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
How could that be when the Primal Monitor wasn't even aware of the amoeba in his mist, until it had developed over the eons. If the Primal Monitor really was just another face the Presence wears, then how could it NOT be aware of it's own creation (the DC multiverse) until untold eons have passed?
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