I don't like him, I love him and I love him because of his complexity. The problem is that many people don't know how to deal with that complexity, since they never bothered to study him in the first place:
Sentry's power level is based on his mental stability and his morals. I already proved that before.
His creator, Paul Jenkins came up with that idea. To let his power level sink, if Sentry struggels and that's what happens.
- If he struggels, then he is in a weak condition and still stalemates WW Hulk and busts half of a city during the release of his power.
+ If he is clear minded, he takes Savage Hulk's hits without flinching, overpowers him mentally and destroys planets while holding his energy release back.
- If he struggels, he has problems with lifting a helicarrier and needs 12 minutes to fly from one point of America to another one.
+ If he is clear minded, he contains an escaping Cosmic Cube for a while and flies all over the world in seconds, without even trying. He flies from the Earth to the sun during one single conversation and sometimes even faster.
- If he struggels, then he lets Ms. Marvel absorb energy to save Iron Man.
+ If he is clear minded, he draws energy from everywhere while going on toe on toe with someome like Genis-Vell.
- If he struggels, then he can't protect the Hulk from the Void.
+ If he is clear minded, he simply creates a healing orb, which protects the Void, hell he even heals a girl, who was in a catatonic state before.
... Do you see the play?
And now continue thinking ...
If he is totally out of character struggeling, where his entire, awesome character from his first and second mini is ignored, then other things happen ...
~ If he Bendis struggels, then he has problems keeping the Void low, so that the Void has the chance to take over Sentry's body and do what it wants to do, while in the past Void didn't have a different chance but to manifest himself as a separate being, because Sentry was so powerful and clear minded that he was dominating the Void.
~ If he Bendis struggels, then he has problems taking down Ultron, but after taking few hits, the Void takes over ... It's still the Sentry, but simply his dark side and then he starts destroying Ultron.
~ If he Bendis struggels, then he gets killed over and over by the Molecule Man, but after he dies too often, the Void takes over who then destroys the Molecule Man.
~~~ If he struggels so much, that it's already out of character, then you see hard plot devices going on to remove him as fast as possible from the battlefield, like seen so many times, where the writers found a stupid way to get rid of him and ignored everything from before...
- Hammond overloading him with fire, even though the Sentry was multiple times in the sun?
- The Young Avengers BFR'ing him with freakin' magic, even though someone like Doctor Strange was not able to deal with the Sentry?
- Skrull's getting rid of him by confronting him with the Void, even though there were more than enough instances where Sentry stayed in the game and faced the Void.
Noooooooo :-7
The thing is that the Sentry-haters ... and believe me, there are thousands of them only look at the weak Sentry showings and take that to measure his power level, while the Sentry-fans try to ignore all of these and only look at his best showings, to make him shine.
While both ways have their flaws, I'm being neutral and I'm extremely biased towards Sentry, yet I would never simply lie or deny facts to make him win every single fact.
I indeed like the Sentry, that should be obvious and I indeed don't like to look at his bad showings, but only when it comes to the forum battles, since that's not how we use the characters. We don't simply pick a mentally unstable Sentry and let him face Superman, because then Sentry would clearly lose the battle, since a mentally unstable "lost" to WW Hulk, even though he had the upper hand in the fight, but that Sentry would have wrecked Hulk, if he had used his entire versatility, or also if his overall power level was higher, which was not the case because of his agoraphobia.
When it comes to forum battles, we use the characters at their prime and at his prime Sentry was a clear minded, god like character, who still struggeled with the Void, but he never backed off. He stood there and faced the darkness. He was the one who was physically capable of harming the Void, overwhelming the Void and tossing him into the sun, while Savage Hulk was going down after simple attacks and even guys like classic Thor and classic Strange were chanceless.
Sentry and Photon were kinda equal. Photon teleported them away into a microverse, they were both destroying planets while holding back and after Photon teleported Capatin America away out of the microverse, they both kinda cut loose I guess and released even more energy.
Sentry's energy was visible in the real world and shortly after Photon broke out of the microverse and teleported Sentry away, while saying that he would be long gone, before Sentry finds a way out of the microverse.
Call me biased towards Sentry, but for me it looked like Sentry had the upper hand in the fight, since his energy was visible in the real world, while they were in the microverse and Photon also left the microverse after that, so maybe Sentry's energy was too much inside of the microverse, but that's just me assuming hard right now.
Then Photon won via BFR' and yet he knew that Sentry would find a way out, so judging by that I give Sentry the slight advantage.
Thor and Silver Surfer? While they both had few fights in the past, where Silver Surfer was often in disadvantage, I still feel like Silver Surfer didn't use his abilities to their full potential. I'm not sure if Thor could take everything Silver Surfer could throw at him. Thanks to Mjolnir, which is superior to Silver Surfer's power cosmic, he probably would be able to do so, but Silver Surfer's insane speed and the ability to vary his powers faster should give him a slight advantage in this fight.
And yes, I see Silver Surfer being inferior to the Sentry. Judging by the feats he would stomp Sentry into oblivion who does not have as much feats as the Silver Surfer, but judging by the encounters they had and how they faced the opponents, I see Sentry overall having a far greater power level, when it comes to terms of RAW POWER, basically the reason why he was also able to defeat the Molecule Man in the end. It's all about his raw power, while he lacks the finesse of his powers. The finesse Silver Surfer has, but I don't see him that helping all too much in this battle and even though he could be faster then the Sentry, he would probably still have a very, very hard time, since Sentry often mainly uses AOE attacks, basically attacks which affect the entire area. He is doing that far more often then using concentrated energy beams, and if he is clear minded and releases energies powerful enough to destroy planets, while he is still holding back, I see him clearly hurting the Silver Surfer badly and also see him overpowering Thor overall and having other advantages like the strenght and hell, maybe even the combat strenght, since he already brawled it out with WW Hulk, while Thor struggeled with weaker versions of the Hulk, for example the Savage Hulk, who could not make the Sentry even flinch.
Not so sure about the Silver Surfer VS Photon, but I would personally say that Photon would win :-7
We also don't dismiss the actual character and forget about their mental issues either. The showings I use are what's in character not some sort of aberration. I seem to grasp the Sentry you seem to just enjoy his power set.
The Void is this character at his best because he doesn't carry the guilt the Sentry does but even then it could still resurface if you live long enough to bring it out like in Siege.
Using sentry's unstable appearances is not taking the forum rules in account. You are suppose to take the characters at the best of there abilities, not worst. Using feats where he is unstable would just be lowballing and should be dismissed unless the OP states they are valid(which is basically handicapping the character). In character just means they way they would go about a fight in comics. And also if im not mistaken void and sentry are to be used as separate entities in forum battles. So using the unstable card should be a worthless argument in a forum battle.
Thats just my take on the sentry and how he should be used in forum battle going by the rules.
In his entire history he had different mental states. It's impossible for him to have all of them at the same time (in this single forum fight). That is why the KMC rule is for characters to fight at their best ability AS SHOWN BEFORE. Otherwise, a character can lose if he/she fights subpar and they can win if they fight at their best canon shown ability.
Re: Thor vs Silver Surfer vs Genis Photon Vell vs Sentry
A non jobbing Surfer going for the kill is very dangerous. So I'm not sure if him or Sentry falls first. But I think Photon at his most powerful has the best chance of winning.
No, this is incorrect. Sentry always has mental issues plaguing him but it's more Sentry problem than a Void problem. Even when he fought the WW Hulk and unleashed himself he was still mentally weak. We don't ignore the major characteristics of a character just because you like them. This has been a part of him since the onset. I am not using one showing to paint the picture but many showings to address my points. Again this isn't an aberration.
We don't dismiss what makes these characters who they are unless stated in the op. Generally Superman doesn't kill so we don't assume he tries unless stated just like we don't assume the Sentry's issues aren't there since they have been there since day 1. Please read comics.
I understand where you are coming from. This would not be going by the forum rules though. A mentally weak sentry is not a sentry at the best of his abilities. I know the character has many showings while being unstable but that doesnt change the fact that it is going against the rules. The unstable mind of the sentry is what make him able to be a member of the avengers. Sentry at the best of his abilities does not have any mental issues so saying he does is wrong, no matter how many unstable appearances he has. If the OP specifies otherwise unstable sentry is not in the picture here. Im not ignoring the major characteristic of the character. Im going by the forum rules nothing more.
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