1. Hmm I honestly don't know much about plutonian.
2. Hulk's essence in the destroyer armor would actually be a drawback i think, he would not be able to get stronger nor heal from his wounds.
3. Also isnt the twilight sword insanely massive (or is it change according to the user?) But that would be me trying to swing a bo stick at you while inside a small car. Very ineffective.
His not all powerful, he just got his ass handed to him.
While I could make a case for the Destroyer, it depends on how it's operating with the Hulk.
I'd like to clarify that by real damage, he means getting beaten into a bloody pulp.
Tony should beat the shit out of the regular Hulk at this point though. A good example of the ability to manipulate matter being written from a more realistic standpoint.
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While this is true, it's also true that she had to absorb the energy of entire star(s) to do so--and considering said energies are more than sufficient to fully sate Galactus himself, it's pretty impressive that she had to absorb THAT much power just to beat Tony.
Irredeemable #34.
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Last edited by Galan007 on Mar 9th, 2012 at 04:58 PM
Her drawing on the energy of a Star was already noted, the fact that he was a bloody pulp who was then raped was not. From experience, "any real damage" might be interpreted as a bloody lip, which is why I mentioned it.
I'd also like to point out that like Superman, Galactus' power source isn't necessary reflective of his power level so it's basically a pointless comparison. For example, Galactus has shown output far above that of Star(s) by feeding on a planet.
Cool. I just wanted to reiterate it's impressiveness.
To be clear: I wasn't saying that it requires Galactus-level power to beat Tony. I was just trying to explain the vast energies a star contains in 'comic book lingo'... ie. Galactus' hunger (which, on a few occasions, has not been calmed after eating a planet), was fully sated+ after he devoured a star... ie. ie. If a planet=a ham sandwich to Galactus, a star=a 5 course meal+dessert.
Now that I've totally confused you: it, again, took THAT much power just for her to beat Tony. I'd also like to remind you that he wasn't trying to defend himself whatsoever during that battle, because he did not wish to harm her: (please log in to view the image)
If he were actually fighting back, the energy of a star may not have been enough to overcome him.
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Isn't that just a FTL feat? The signal itself was a picosecond in length, but was still traveling at the speed of all other radio signals if I'm reading that right...
It's impressive that Plutonian reacted to an event that occurred within the breadth of a picosecond, but his travel speed wasn't approaching Flash level in that particular feat... I think.
He allowed his ass to be handed to him. Modeus even states that Tony could kill him at any time if he wanted to.
With his new-found abilities, intangibility, time travel, quantum entanglement mastery, non-physical manipulation of matter and telepathy, he pretty much has it all. He is just learning to use it. And, he continues to evolve.
Again, you're trying to make it seem more impressive by referencing Galactus. Which really makes no sense ultimately based on what we've seen, might as well mention Superman only being powered by Solar Rays yet being able to do what he does. Frankly, I think you'd be better off mentioning the Sol Anvil as Hickman seems to hold Star level power in high esteem, but at the same time, things can scale up and down dramatically depending on the writer/location/story etc.
Don't get me wrong, it's still very impressive, most Heralds and Trans rarely operate on that scale. Then again, this was happening away from Earth.
That's a good point, and honestly, it probably wouldn't be enough. The body he's inhabiting from what I remember has low level enhanced abilities. One super speed punch or a blast of heat vision from a distance should end Modeus easily.
That being said, it's pretty clear that he has limitations, he can be beaten or stopped, Star level energy being able to bypass his durability dramatically is one example, lack of molecular motion (Or whatever the force that he was exposed to by his "parents" that Quibit/Max Damage ultimately saved him from) is another.
I'll give Waid credit though, he approached molecular manipulating based abilities from a more scientific point of view, not unlike Solar. I always wondered what someone like him or Ellis would do with the Odin Force, Power Cosmic etc.
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That entire star system died as a result. 
