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Not so sure about Cage, but Classic Fisk's thing was fighting Spidey. That, and being so durable, streets like DD can hit him in the head with a nightstick until their arms about ready to fall off, and have no effect at all. And he did better then Spidey vs cyborg Silvermane too, when Spidey was trying to save some lives, though Fisk lost.
Tombstones pretty quick, even catching DD club mid flight, but hus durability is inconsistent. (Dropped with a sledgehammer, for example.)
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Cyborg Silvermane was about cl15, I believe. Fisk stood toe to toe with him for awhile, before finally crumbling.
And Classic Kingpin has better feats then current too. Warping steal beams in his bare hands, casually flinging open a vault door DD had to struggle with, claiming it felt like he nearly dislocated his shoulders and could barely feel them, pressing Spidey up against a thick stone wall, and slowly powering him through it (Much more impressive then your usual kick or charge through a wall, as he simply muscled him on through..)... DD also nearly broke his leg, just by kicking Kingpin.
And didn't Cap beat Tombstone down? That didn't happen when he went against Fisk..
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Current Fisk has some nice feats. He casually crushed a pretty big statue with his fingers and nearly ripped Black Cat's arms off. And she's enhanced with cyborg implants...
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If he actually learned how to fight, instead of brawl all the time, he'd be tough opponent for just about anyone. I'd like to see him against Iron Fist.
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It always gave the impression that Tombstone was stronger, more vicious and agile than Kingpin.
I think there is an interaction between this two, IIRC it was on spectacular spiderman and I think Kingpin was shown to be stronger. but I'm not sure if it did happen or I'm just confusing characters.
I'm having a hard time believing Fisk could handle tombstone as easily as some are claiming here. Tombstone came across as more durable (was bulletproof and I remember superheroes hurting their hands hitting him) and stronger (Fisk is nearing super human levels and tombstone can lift around 6 tons) than Fisk and with more stamina to boot.
Ill go with Tombstone to take down Fisk in the end. Kingpin does well against SpiderMan because Spideys holds back against "normal" humans, its practically in his bio, when he stopped holding back, SpiderMan demolished Kingpin physically. Tombstone seems Much tougher than Fisk, and while Fisk is the more skilled fighter, it wont be enough to overcome the physical difference between these two.
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