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Solar Vs. Doctor Manhattan

Who is the most powerful transherald?


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Solar... easily


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I thought Solar was an Abstract-level character.

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Which Solar


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Which Solar
The most current.

Doctor Manhattan will inevitably win. Unlike Solar, Doctor Manhattan has access to infinite potential outcomes of this battle, in an infinite assortment of outcomes, somewhere in there Doctor Manhattan wins so he can work backward from there.

Doctor Manhattan and Solar basically have identical abilities - with the exception that Before Watchmen gives Doctor Manhattan the ability of Probability Manipulation. Solar has never demonstrated that he is a Quantum Observer.

Doctor Manhattan is the greatest transherald, basically an Abstract, almost at the nigh-omnipotence level of Kubik or The Beyonder.


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What good is the ability to destroy a multiverse against someone who can alter probability?

Solar vs Longshot would be a better fight


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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What good is the ability to destroy a multiverse against someone who can alter probability?

Solar vs Longshot would be a better fight


DM has the probability where Solar doesn't get his superpowers.

That's actually not the most Au Current depiction of Solar, anyway.

I mean, pre-crisis Superman could survive in the >hypernova-thermal climate of the big bang, but I abstained from using him in the Superman Vs Sentry thread.


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Dolos
The most current.

Doctor Manhattan will inevitably win. Unlike Solar, Doctor Manhattan has access to infinite potential outcomes of this battle, in an infinite assortment of outcomes, somewhere in there Doctor Manhattan wins so he can work backward from there.

Doctor Manhattan and Solar basically have identical abilities - with the exception that Before Watchmen gives Doctor Manhattan the ability of Probability Manipulation. Solar has never demonstrated that he is a Quantum Observer.

Doctor Manhattan is the greatest transherald, basically an Abstract, almost at the nigh-omnipotence level of Kubik or The Beyonder.
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Originally posted by Dolos
DM has the probability where Solar doesn't get his superpowers.

That's actually not the most Au Current depiction of Solar, anyway.

I mean, pre-crisis Superman could survive in the >hypernova-thermal climate of the big bang, but I abstained from using him in the Superman Vs Sentry thread.
Nope, that's not probable.

There is always a Solar, and he always gets power.

Solar alters Dr Manhattan's living probability


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Dolos Doctor Manhattan has the probability where he is omnipotent.

DDM 10/10.

I mean, that's not how his powers work, but still.


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...that's not how his powers work...
Not directly.

Id est, in one potential reality the Primal Monitor intercedes in this battle, favoring Doctor Manhattan.


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Originally posted by Dolos
Not directly.

Id est, in one potential reality the Presence intercedes in this battle, favoring Doctor Manhattan.
Holy shit


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Solar's powers are over energy as he is a being of pure energy. He can convert himself or other energy to matter and back again. His powers are limited by his mind's ability to think them up. He has split himself into more than one "being" so that he may stay on earth and search the universe at the same time. He can absorb a sun, and even bond with one. He has the ability to travel outside of space-time where reality doesn't exist. He does follow the laws of conservation as he can run low on energy. He recharges best with absorbing radiation forms of energy.The limits of his power was never found as he never was killed.


Key differences here.

One problem with Doctor Manhattan, and this is perhaps Solar's saving grace, is paradox. For instance, he couldn't stop nuclear war without leaving the planet.


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Originally posted by Dolos
Not directly.

Id est, in one potential reality the Primal Monitor intercedes in this battle, favoring Doctor Manhattan.
In an infinite set of realities DDM wins, stalemates, and loses an infinite amount of times.

So basically, Doom 10/10.


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Quit being facetious and passive aggressive, Mindset.

If I've misinterpreted the implications of probability manipulation, please explain why.

Present the evidence.

Probability Manipulation: "The user manipulates the probability of an event to happen, making unlikely things occur more often or instantly and preventing liable events from happening. They can cause and prevent both good and bad luck, sudden deaths, natural disasters, and even apocalyptic events."

Doctor Manhattan's method of Quantum Precognition doesn't always constitute total control as seen in Before Watchman, and so he's not listed as having this ability. However, his level of Quantum Manipulation should justify a stalemate here, for reasons Mindset [un]intentionally but asserted. His assertion may be intentional but it is decidedly erroneous in his mind, as he believes it's only from a misinterpreted viewpoint of Doctor Manhattan's abilities.


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I don't know what you mean. I agree completely, man.

DDM wins every time, except when he doesn't.


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You see that extra D? As in Dolos'?

That's called being a passive aggressive baby.

Grow-up, Mindset.

Addendum: Passive aggressive behavior can be interpreted as flame.


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Dolos, can I see your case presented with scans please?


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