I think that Squadron Supreme Hyperion (the last picture) is the weakest Hyperion and that he already is around new 52 Superman's level - judging by the most standard showings the characters had.
If we go with the Earth benchpressing feat Superman has the obvious advantage, but that's where the current 616 Hyperion comes into place, who was holding two universes apart for a moment, which then overshadows Superman's feat.
King Hyperion was giving Blue Marvel a fight, who has enough strength to split the Moon in half. Damage ouput none of the new 52 Justice League has yet.
Going with the Hyperions on this one. The Justice League having 3-4 non-factors doesn't help either.
At his best, while sundipped I could clearly see that happening, but not at his average.
Squadron Supreme Hyperion at hist best, yet still typical appearance destroyed a chunk of the entire Earth.
You are in no position to judge anything. Batman said he can turn moon into dust with a punch and Red Hood said that he could dropkick moon and destroy it. But obviously those don't count and neither does superman's bench press, does it?
Also @ sundipped and at his best. This isn't that schmuck sentry we are talking about.
And when he fully let that energy out, it nearly destroyed some buildings!!!!
*GASP*
Superman actually bench pressed earth for 5 days under the same writer. He's a planetary being at the least whether it chafes somebody's ass or not. Deal with it.
So now, where Batman and Red Hood have said something we should accept it as the ultimate truth? Batman, the same guy, who said that Superman is a god... Superman, whose most special powers are Heat Vision and Ice Breath is supposed to be a god :-| Yes.
You know what else has been stated?
That Sentry stalemated Glactus, but do you see me saying that him stalemating Galactus puts him on Galactus level?
You're just one of those insane Superman fanboys. And pay attention at the word "fanboy"... there is a different between a fan and a fanboy. I'm a fan, you're a ridiculous fanboy.
So what you're saying is that the regular, not sundipped new 52 Superman is capable of destroying the Moon with a punch? Is that really what you're saying?
Oh the bias, man, the freakin' bias!
Here are Superman's best damage output feats so far:
1. Superman hits H'El with a blow that could topple mountains... He is not holding back at that point:
Superman's statement: "I can lift entire city blocks and level mountains with my bare fists.
3. Superman meets clear trouble and he wants the end the battle fast, so he strikes as long as he has the chance ... with a strike that could topple a small mountain:
Superman's statement: "I'm sorry, but that's gotta stop -- fast."
Narration: "He takes no chances... ... It's a blow that could topple a small mountain."
4. While enraged he punches the ground and destroys the ground in the nearby area (not even mountain level destruction at that point):
The last one doesn't have that much narration to it unfortunately, but we can clearly see the level of destruction, which is lackluster.
I mean, it's still a great level of destruction, but it's not even near the level you're trying to sell Superman as.
I feel sorry for Superman for having ridiculous fans like you. Every character has black sheepy fans and you're the one for Superman. You go around and tell lies about that character. Shame on you, man :-7
And before you try to even consider trying to do me any harm regarding the Sentry: I'm still he one, who created a thread with all of Sentry's low showings, straight out give every skyfather level character the instant victory over the Sentry and told everyone, who overall the characters are, who could beat the Sentry in a fight even without having crazy Skyfather levels.
What are you doing? You're lying about Superman and trying to make him look better than he is.
Face it. The most powerful member of the Justice League can't inflict more damage than destroying mountains, even when going fully it. To do more damage, he has to be sundipped (as his recent fight shows it, where he got a sundip and stated that he could bring down mountains with a finger).
PS: The Hyperions stomp.
PPS: Raj.
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When he fully let his energy out, Sentry was in a weak mental state, which depowers him greatly. If you would take few seconds to think about it, you would come to realize that Sentry fighting with bigger mental issues than usual is like Superman fighting with a piece of kryptonite in his butt.
And that energy didn't have a wide scope of destruction, but it was still powerful, since the fire was burning for three days after the fight and it was causing massive damage on the Hulk.
It's like with Vegeta in Dragonball Z, where he was in his Majin state and tried killing Majin Boo by blowing himself up. The destruction didn't destroy the planet, because it was more concentrated, but it was still causing the needed damage on Majin Boo, who should have planetary level durability and Vegeta should have planetary level damage output at least in that form.
On top of that Sentry - when being plagued by less mental issues destroyed a moon during his fight with the Collective and later on he destroyed planets during his fight with Photon and during that fight no mental weakness was mentioned.
You're so biased and clueless, Raj.
Superman was half-naked, sitting in a machine and pushing it up (not your typical movement for a benchpress) and some guy or chick or whatever with a board in his / her hands told us that Superman has been benchpressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight ...
... is not now more worth than the narration telling us that the energy Sentry and Photon were spitting out, is enough to destroy entire planets and Captain America actually confirming that and Sentry stating that he wouldn't want to risk the sake of the Earth in a grudge match with Photon, which was basically also confirming the level of destruction?
Why is it more worth it? Because there is no real Superdudebro in the Marvel universe and therefore it doesn't have your approval?
And I can lift a book and punch through paper with my bare fists, and just as that doesn't mean that's the extent of my strength, what Supes said is not a definitive limit of his.
Again, not the stated limit of his strength. He's not trying to maximize collateral damage.
This is reaching so far it's not even funny.
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If you're not able to come up with actual feats in comics, where Superman manages to inflict more damage than stated by the narration and himself, then don't even bother responding - your input is useless as for now.
I believe Superman hit with the stated amount of force. I don't believe that's the absolute limit, because it doesn't say that anywhere.
What, does Superman need to destroy the Earth to prove that he can? Ain't gonna happen, that's not his M.O. That's why they come up with artificial feats like the one being debated here, so that the writers can show what he's capable of without actually ruining his character. That's been the case since COIE, after shit like PC Superboy finding random empty planets in space and throwing them for funsies.
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And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
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What you believe doesn't matter to us right now, since we're only able to go with what the comics have stated so far - and so far Superman is able to destroy mountains with his bare fists and nothing more.
How should we be able to discuss the fights, when fanboys go crazy over limitations of a character and put them on a higher tier level, even though the characters themselves are not on that level?
Fanboyism always needs a line and by saying that the character can do more than he has been stated by the comics of being capable off, you're not helping.
Feel free to add scans, where we can clearly see that Superman can do more damage than busting planets - if you're not able to do that, then leave the debate. It's that simple.
^ I have not argued for Superman here, only against the ridiculous limitations you've set for him based on narration of a couple of punches he's thrown.
We don't know where Superman is right now. He doesn't have those big time feats yet, but he will in time. All I know is that you're making up what you want to be true, and writing off contradictory evidence.
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Hyperion's wins. King Hyperion is insanely powerful. And supreme power hyperion was so damn brolic in his run with rediculous feats. He was shown to be above thor. I didn't even include hickmans hype or the others either. Too many tanks and powerhouse's imo.
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Dec 11th, 2013 02:47 PM
@ sundipped and at his best. This isn't that schmuck sentry we are talking about.
