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X-man vs marvel girl vs Cable vs Franklin Richards vs phoenix (jean) vs hope summers
Rules:
1. Win via K.O or death.
2. Everyone is at standard power levels.
3. Frank is a child.
4. battle takes place on Oa.
5. Vulcan is in the fight as well.
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Same could be said of Franklin. After all Onslaught could not win the day with Franlkin's power alone, he needed X-Man's raw power to be the best not just Franklin. Franklins best feat IIRC is creating pocket universe after the Onslaught Event, and conserving ALOT of energy to revive Galactus at a point in the future with his adult self. Other than those two things, what has he done? I know Mephisto had little trouble imprisoning Franklin in his own Dimension till other heroes helped freed Franklin.
Pretty sure Phoenix would never had that problem. Same phoenix force who as Green phoenix is far superior to Galactus. Same Phoenix who as Dark Phoenix was easly able to contain and repair the damage to the M'krann Crystal, which is so powerful it was stated as a universe, and stated to effect the Multiverse with its contained power.
Just not buying the hyp of Franklin Richards at all. Heck I place House of M Wanda over 20 Franklins as far as feats go for her.
Who has Franklin beaten that matters? Not Mephisto I hope as Mephisto gets beaten by any normal person with a "pure Soul" which Kid Franklin has anyway . So who has Franklin beaten of worth?
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huh? onslaught? (a) he wasn't able to win with just kid franklin..... so? (b) he barely used any of his power. kid frank also went on to create the reborn UNIVERSE. that alone is a far cry above anything the PF has done... i also assume this is ADULT frank, who is much more powerful? his utterly trashing celestials>>anything the PF has done, certainly recently. and having galactus as a herald (lol) is ALSO far better. galactus, while weakened, was still able to hold off phoenix, and on another occasion was shown able to kill the force and didn't because of the ramifications. if you want to try and make a case ofr phoenix being>franklin, good luck to you: you'll need to dig deep with not only your interpretations, but also into the past because as of the avx fiasco, frank would literally punch the pf into non-existence.....
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^ Franklin is a child in this thread, but it doesn't matter--he still wins. The kid has effortlessly created universes, outright pwned Mephisto in his own realm, resurrected Galactus twice, negated attacks from the Mad Celestials(inc. their attempts at mind-rape), etc.
Feat-wise he is beyond everyone else in this thread combined.
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So most of this is base on current Phoenix showings, which are still pretty dang good?
Also When has Franlkin thrashed Celestials? I seen scans of the Galactus fight with Franklin, and Galactus did the most work in the beginning, and Franklin needed Galactus again to finish it. He even needed the stored up power of his younger self to revive Galactus, who BTW did not died as some people think. It was not his own power, it was a power amp of himself and his adult self working with Galactus.
There was a whole confirmed discussion of it. So in now way was Franklin "owning" Celestials at all. He needed Galactus to win the day after restoring him to power.
Green phoenix (one of the weaker versions of Phoenix) outright beat Galactus in a random fight. He stated he could not win at all do to her power.
Galactus had to guilt trip Green Phoenix to leave him alone. One of the weakest Phoenix Incarnations do to her nature to hold back unlike Dark Phoenix who goes all out.
Pwned mephisto? How? Mephisto is easily "pwned" by anyone one (normal Humans included) with pure souls. Black Panther and his line of kings beat Mephisto easily do to pure souls. Roxanne from Ghost Rider wards off Mephisto due to her Pure Soul. Black heart killed Mephisto by stabbing him with a blade covered in the blood of a Pure Soul. Why in any way, shape, or form can the defeat of Mephisto be a great feat when a child (which has been referred by Blackheart as natural pure souls) use his powers on Mephisto. Why should it the fact he is a pure soul child not have any role in it. Unless kid Franklin openly wanted and had murder, stolen, or raped someone. Not seeing it.
Creating a Universe is cool, but what does that imply in the end? I can create a mini universe all I want, is that going to win a fight against a being that uses all the power of life in the Universe and all life in the future? A being who spanked Galactus, the combined might of the Avengers till plot device (Hope) got involved, and can change event in time as well (Phoenix of the White Crown, as well Rachel Summers time traveling adventures) why should Franklin who matches a decent Celestial in power be that much more impressive? I suppose he can create a mini universe or something, but his showings against the Celestial with the help of his younger self and Galactus is no way better than Phoenix over all feats and wins.
In the end, Franklin combat wise is inferior as far as I seen of his combat feats and the context of his wins. He needed Plot device (his younger self storing power) as well Galactus himself to beat the handful of Mad Celestials.
Im just not seeing this. Is there any more feats of Franklin Richards that did not require possible weakness of mephisto, or help from his younger self and Galactus? Any at all?
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As was recently confirmed: a few no-name Celestials were responsible for the creation of the Marvel multiverse--that's the level they operate at nowadays. Kubik, an effortless universal power, was scared shitless of a single no-name Celestial--that's the level they operated at decadeS ago. Yet as a child, Franklin was not only stated to be on par with a Celestial, but also negated their attacks(both physical and metaphysical) WHILE HE WAS HOLDING BACK AS TO CONSERVE POWER FOR HIS ADULT SELF.
Franklin got pissed and outright destroyed Mephisto in his own realm--it took Meph a good deal of time to reform from this, in fact. Your low-balling aside, that IS a very good feat.
What does creating universeS mean? It means that he has a MUCH greater degree of control over the fundamental forces of reality than everyone else in this thread: (please log in to view the image)
Franklin wins, and it's not even close.
Galactus was hungry/weakened prior to engaging Rachel in that comic...
You claim how powerful Celestials are as the core of your argument, and your right in the fact "SOME" of the Celestials are uber powerful. SOME are. There is specific Name Celestials who are superior to even others in feats, and what is better is they have names. The Dreamer, The Approver, the Judge, and Exitar all seem to be superior in roles and feats to any of the run of the mill Celestials.
Unless you know of some proof that all Celestials are equal (which they are not it seems), then Franklin with Galactus help owning some Mad Celestials is not all that much reason to jump on the Franklin bandwagon.
Prove to me all celestials are universe busters or creators. I doubt you can as Exitar failed to bust Earth alone Heck the Gardener was killed by the Apoc Twins weilding a mere asgardian axe. Facts man. I am just stating obvious Facts.
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Jarnbjorn was enchanted with the power to kill a celestial. It killed the Gardner and Exitar. It was just that powerful. That doesn't elevate your argument.
It wasn't just a mere Asgardian axe as you say it was.
All Celestials in existence are merely aspects of one being -the same being-, linked across the multiverse: http://i.imgur.com/DtYumCV.jpg
That's why even a no-name Celestial was stated to possess a transinfinite level of power, several orders of magnitude beyond the [universal] power of Kubik and Kosmos: http://i.imgur.com/Z6DZxUA.jpg
(hence why Kubik was scared shitless of them.)
'Facts' like: "Green phoenix (one of the weaker versions of Phoenix) outright beat Galactus in a random fight. He stated he could not win at all do to her power." ???
Lol, pardon me if I choose to pass on your alleged 'facts'.
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Im sorry, it was a Asgardian made weapon which iornicaly was not used on the 4th host lol. Odin with all his prep and power as well creation of destroyer armor failed to do anything to the fourth host of celestials, but this mere after thought weapon that Thor used before aquiring the superior hammer of choice, is superior to Odin + Asgardian + Destroyer armor + thousands of years of prep?
Call me crazy, that is contradicting crap if I ever seen it. "Shrugs Shoulders" It sounds pretty fishy at best. Why not just make a bunch of those axes and let the Asgardians crush the fourth host?
Anyway, Celestials still never showed the same power as a race. there clearly seems to be some way more powerful than others.
Creation is not the same as offensive power. If your argument is he created a powerful Galactus, then why not do that in the mad Celestial fight? Why did he need his younger selfs power to simply revive a fallen 616 Galactus then? Not adding up.
Meph can be amp all he want. Still does not change the fact a pure soul normal human being can beat Mephisto.
Do not know who Ashema is. thats a new on on me. Scans?
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Sep 24th, 2014 05:56 PM
. So who has Franklin beaten of worth?
