Validus wasn't even noticing PC Kryptonians running into him and KO'ing themselves. So if Juggy is going to win here he's going to need to be packing some serious serious firepower or have esoterics that can circumvent physical durability.
With that said..Validus really has no super speed that I know of. It's possible these guys could play keep away indefinitely. I forget if any of them could fly.
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Not really because the reason behind Val being touted so high is because of the characters that he defeated. In that case we should compare things that PC characters wouldn't be able to tear through in Marvel. Let's begin with Adamantium, and mystically strengthened Uru weapons. One member of the Worthy crushed their weapon with a moderate amount of effort, and was able to rip through Adamantium like it was tin foil.
The Worthy would actually win this. I mean if we were to take a chain with links the size of the chain that Superboy used to tow those planets, i could easily see an Adamantium chain being easily able to do the same. Not to mention... wasn't that chain made out of regular steel? If we dig deep enough into that feat, it isn't as impressive as it once appeared to be. We don't even know how much those planets weighed? That nearly makes it a non feat.
Hasn't Morlun ripped through adamantium like tinfoil as well?
You also haven't exactly explained how they do physical harm to Validus. Since your adamantium feat isn't actually sufficient to say they could harm someone PC Kryptonians get KO'ed just by running into them. That is assuming we toss out Morlun being able to tear through adamantium netting as a low showing for adamantium. If we don't toss that out it becomes massively less impressive.
As for your plant tugging feat..it really seems like you are trying to apply real world physics to a Silver Age comic. The chain might of been made out of steel, but that doesn't negate from the feat. True we don't know how much those planets weighed, but there were dozens of them. The feat was never impressive because someone actually calculated how much weight he was towing so you are correct in that it doesn't give us an exact figure of the strength needed.
But if you really wanted to try to apply physics then you might as well say Superboy committed mass genocide. Since in reality all life on those planets would of been wiped out via dragging it through space at FTL speeds.
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Well when dealing with PC characters vs current day characters, we need something to gauge them with. Am I right? If not, and no comparison can be made, PC characters should be considered as non canon and have no place in this particular forum where feats and continuity are basic needs in order to compare one character to the other.
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The PC Legion may have just been weaklings dealing with a stronger foe. Big fish in a small pond comes to mind, when a steel chain is strong enough to be used to tow planets.
I don't quite understand what you are getting at here. Yes adamantium is far far more durable then steel. I don't know if it is ever said what the chain is made of or where Superboy even got the chain.
But let us say it is made of steel. I don't see why that means Validus loses.
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I don't see why being canon or not matters if the OP specifically says this is PC versions. Just like I could technically make a thread and specify it is a Marvel character from a "What If" story despite those not being canon.
PC characters have feats. The planet towing thing isn't the only insane feat by Superboy.
I just look at PC characters as completely separate from their current versions. Even those characters who technically weren't even affected by the Crisis. Since technically I don't think people like the Legion were changed and Darkseid also was actually aware of the events prior to the Crisis as well, yet his pre crisis self is vastly more powerful then the post crisis version.
Especially when it comes to people like PC Supes, when I think of him I basically think of the guy from the 1940's-1960s era. Since in the late 70's and early 80's his power levels dipped, though not as dramatically as after the Crisis.
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If it doesn't matter, why don't we use Star Wars vs Marvel in this forum? Why don't we use DBZ characters vs comic book characters? Because they are not canon, or they can not be compared to comic book characters.
Nah. If we placed them in present day comparisons, they simply don't add up. Val was a weakling, and the characters that he beat up on were weak as well. I mean if we imagine that present day characters easily one shot planets, while Val struggles to destroy one. Heck WW Hulk could one shot a planet alone, and Nul was supposed to be an amped version of WW Hulk. PC characters don't stack up properly in order to lace them in versus threads with current day characters.
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