It is quite sad how often personal bias (for and against) a character results in either spite or myopia. Rather than enjoy and relish these comic characters, which are often far more than 'drawings for kids' and can be a very rich form of literature (yes, comic books can be high art in the way they mesh intriguing storyline with pictorial depiction), and having interesting debate on what would happen if say it was - to use non comic examples:
- what if it was Elijah rather than Moses who faced off against the Egyptians;
- what if the Japanese hadn't bombed Pearl Harbor;
- what if the American civil war had never happened;
- what if Al Gore had won the court case against George W Bush, etc etc etc
What we do on KMC is a 'what if' analysis, and while we argue whether the Scarlet Witch is more powerful than Zatanna (the SW at her best is more powerful), or whether Black Panther is more resourceful than The Batman (both have their respective strengths, with Bruce being better in some and T'Challa in others), the truth is that we are honing our debate abilities. Sure, they may 'just' be comic book characters, but if someone can manage to convince someone else that Quick Silver has a chance against the Flash, and to do so in a logical manner, they are developing debate ability. In my job working in private equity across many geographies I have come to be cognizant on how important driving a point home is.
Which is why it is sad when posters are openly trolling (which is okay by the way), or even worse, are so tied to a character they have absolute myopia and will always say the character either always wins or always loses.
I LOVE the Superman mythos- it is an amalgamation of everything from the Jesus complex to older mythos.
I LOVE the Hulk mythos as well - it stems from classic literature (the strange case of Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde) to ancient legend (the Jewish tales of the Golem) to philosophy (can one truly tame the inner beast, and what happens when you have absolute power). Not to mention great storylines, characterization, and yes - drawings. Conveying a story through pictures and bubbles of text is, again, high art.
Which is why I don't understand the big issue when you have character X vs Y, and people being so embroiled in always having one win/lose. There are people who, if it is Superman, will always say he wins. We know them. There are others who, if it is Superman, will always say he loses. We know them too.
The same can be said for the Hulk, another character that elicits very weird behavior.
Some years back the biggest culprit was Wolverine, and to a lesser extent Thor, though much of that seems to have dissipated.
They are characters people.
Anyway, on the thread - there are versions of Authority that the Hulk (even Savage) would absolutely devastate. Kill outrightlt.
There are also versions of the Authority that can, in a non-PIS/CIS setting, would have defeated the Hulk.
This doesn't make the Hulk 'weak.'
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Yeah. Hulk doesn't have telepathy, so Jenny Quantum could solo. Or a non-baked-out-of-his-mind Doctor solos.
In fairness, the rest would be splattered on the walls. We're really only talking about those two. But their big guns are - according to some - legitimate reality warpers. And even if you don't quite believe that hype, they're effortless matter and time manipulators whose feats have them as very real threats to create or destroy planets, suns, or universes.
Carv, I believe that you've read Authority, but can you explain why you think Hulk could get through a guy that can turn Superman-level heroes into popsicles, or turn them into music, with a thought, or freeze them in place while drinking a soda? For the record 2/3 of those feats actually happened, and they're just the amusing ones I thought of off the top of my head, not the really scary stuff.
Ah Christ. I always forget to check the thread starter, and I hate stroking Zack's DC boner when he's not really trying to inspire interesting debate. Apologies.
Against WWH? No. It's not a one-shot scenario; Apollo gets a bad rap on KMC relative to other Superman-adjacent heroes. He'd put up a respectable fight. But the outcome would never be in doubt. It would be a disappointing attempt to do what Sentry did in the WWH arc, but he wouldn't be able to pull it off.
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If we take the 2 docs out and quantum its a good fight. People just need to think outside the box.
Mids, Jack, Engineer, Apollo, Swift etc...can give em hell. They are more ruthless than anyone Hulk faced during that arc and have no qualms about killing. Whereas Hulk pulls punches.
There is even an argument that Hulk could beat the big guns. He has feats to support it. Nobody debates here anymore..jus bashing n trolling
I agree. Particularly if you put Hawksmoor in a really juicy urban environment I think that there would be a bigger threat straight away than anything he faced from the Marvel heroes roster in the WWH arc, including Sentry. Imagine Hulk getting skewered simultaneously by girders from a hundred skyscrapers, or flattened in an eyeblink by a billion tons of concrete. Meanwhile at the same time Apollo is doing the same trick he used when he 'sterilized the moon' ie melted it.
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Exactly. You dont "need" Jenny/Docs to fight this Hulk.
Mids with his BC mapping out scenarios, Engineer with tech, Apollo and Jack going all out. Swifts kinda meh but could provide assists when others are down.
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