Apoc has nothing that can harm Juggernaut.
He should not b able to make contact with his flesh at all.
We saw what Apoc did with Hulk. This is one case where being magically protected AND armored would b an asset.
Like a soldier climbing around on a tank. Juggernaut can cause physical damage until he comes up with something permanent.
Juggernaut being totally invulnerable is a myth that has been dispelled over and over again.
Even a massively holding back Green Scar was able hurt Juggernaut very clearly with punches. Even Professor Hulk hurt him badly.
Juggernaut just recently lost to a very weak version of Thor, getting teeth knocked out.
Apocalypse no sold a Jarnbjorn wielding Thor and slapped him around.
Apoc also isn't a one trick pony like Cain is. He is versatile as hell and could probably play keep away indefinitely until he knocks that helmet off, then its naptime.
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I guess it depends on which appearance of Juggernaut we want to reference.
Both characters taken at their best, Cain would eradicate Apoc.
I chalk Apoc's win against a young Thor, up to lack of experience in battle and the use of his powers.
And, Juggs has been seen to display his powers in different ways at times. Ways that Apoc would not b able to deal with.
That is a terrible argument. Not one thing u listed, can help him in a fight with Juggernaut. But, Juggernaut CAN hurt Apoc. Unless he keeps teleporting away.
Your problem is, that if we do not lowball each other, Juggernaut wins.
And if u lowball, I can lowball also and Juggernaut wins anyway.
There is no way for Apoc to win if both characters r treated the same. And his Elbow Hoses arent gonna help him here.
And if u have it in your head that Juggernaut is just a strong brick, u need to look into his feats and capabilities.
If niether gets lowballed, Cain wins.
If both get lowballed, Cain wins.
As long as they r handled evenly, Cain wins.
Apoc has no way of harming Cain.
Cain CAN harm Apoc.
If they both use powers and abilities and feats rarely seen, Cain is completely beyond Apoc.
If u dont agree, layout more specific rules and we will go from there.
Anything that doesn't fit your mythical portrayal of juggernaut is 'lowballing'
Dude has been hurt many times by bricks that Apocalypse can hang with strengthwise.
He got owned by War Hulk, due to the power he was given. Power that Apocalyse rated as less than his own. He wasn't even remotely surprised that war hulk overpowered juggernaut's enchantment.
War Hulk, an Apocalypse minion, defeated Juggernaut.
Cain can't even touch the guy if he doesn't want to be touched. He is hyper limited. Even during the days where he had extra powers he wasn't doing much other than generic energy ball projection. And he gave all that extra power up to Oblivion iirc.
Not that the old version of juggs is even relevant to this thread.
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