so ignorance?
The Tribunal is TOAA's face/right/left hand.
The Living Tribunal is the most powerfull being in the Marvel Multiverse. He is the judge, and if he judges you, its over.
Tribunal is "Serence in it's Omnipotence". And actualled ruled over the Two Brothers that represented all of DC and all of Marvel
So, assuming this is classic LT.
I could care less about who anyone thinks who would "win." As I don't care who wins.
But ... I will post some interesting facts about pre-retcon LT.
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o ... k ... Anyway, I could go back and forth but after years of debating experience I've learned
arguing against opinions/theories will get me nowhere.
So ... I'll simply post the truth with proof and move on. (I do this for the onlookers)
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The Marvel Brothers look exactly like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)
The Marvel Brothers are locked in an eternal struggle just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)
They have the same Name: ... The BROTHERS! ... lol
The Marvel Brothers battle with swords, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)
The Marvel Brothers are blue and red, just like the original Brothers (Marvel & DC)
The Marvel Brothers are guardians of the realities they architected, just like the original Brothers. (Marvel & DC)
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Coincidence? hm Not imo, but perhaps.
The originals were embodiments, and everything else is a perfect copy:
(Marvel vs DC)
(Adventures of the X-Men)
continues below:
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In Adventures of the X-Men:
Originally, the story involved the DC and Marvel entirety,
and Mike Carlin, who was currently an Executive Editor at DC,
approved the project, added his ideas and allowed his name to be highlighted.
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I used to debate against this, but I later accepted the evidence I investigated for myself,
the Spectre being alluded to being involved, but in the most obvious way:
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Interestingly enough,
I used to think the LT held the ALPHA & OMEGA on the other hand,
but in fact, it was always the BrotherS that ARE the Beginning & the End:
"Alpha & Omega revolve on the Wheel of Destiny ...
a Wheel spun by his mighty Hand .. A Hand soon opening
to allow two Brothers to assume their pre-destined roles as architects of new realities."
Wow ... nice!
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So the LT undoubtably, imo,
held the power/embodiment/beginning-end ... of Two MegaverseS in one hand.
Which at the time published, (97'😉 was all of Marvel and DC in his hand.
(at-least until 2007 when we officially understood via handbooks Marvel had its own private omniverse)
2005 Handbooks have Marvel and DC as Megaverses, inside a greater Omniverse.
2006 Handbooks really doesn't change that particularly.
2007 Handbooks finally changes that completely.
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This truth above is supported:
This page over at Marvuanapp hasn't been updated since mid 2004,
but at-least until then, this is the Bio of the Retcon BrotherS:
(bio was created by Marvel/DC comic book Writers)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
btw. The guy who created Marvunapp is the person who came up with the term "Megaverse"
which Marvel comics and even DC applies to their worlds.
After 2007, Marvel has been referencing a sole Omniverse
with endless representations of 616, so that detail's changed,
but the rest, is right on point with me.
stoned
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The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉
Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂
(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)
So, without question, the LT's bio (concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.
Why?
Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆
(2004)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."
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(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"
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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.
If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.
Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.
But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)
Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.
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swank
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The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)
Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996) ... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)
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... see under Comments:
Ron Marz - DC and Marvel writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Marz
Dan Jurgens - DC writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jurgens
Claudio Castellini - Marvel/DC artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Castellini
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Mike Carlin did NOT work for Marvel during Adv. of the X-Men!
He was one of the 3 top bosses at DC comics in 1997 - before, during and after Adv. of the X-Men.
Originally posted by Mr Master
-----------------------------------------The person who wrote the "Brothers" bio (Jeff Christiansen) with the help of 3 writers from DC vs Marvel:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm (Jeff goes by the nickname "Snood"😉
Is the same guy who is "Head Handbook Writer" of the handbook where LT's bio is. (and any handbook from 2004 up) 🙂
(2006 official handbook of LT's bio)
So, without question, the [b]LT's bio
(concerning the Two Megaverses) is referring to Marvel and another Company.Why?
Because in his view, (Jeff) Marvel and DC and other companies are what? ... Megaverses! 👆
(2004)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
"As seen in the DC vs Marvel limited series, the Brothers encompass their entire respective multiverses
(i.e. The Marvel Brother encompasses both the mainstream Marvel universe
and its alternate realities such as Earth-Days of Future past etc.)
It extends beyond just their Multiverses, though,
as realms such as the New Universe, outside of the mainstream Marvel Multiverse, were affected.
However, they do not encompass the entire Omniverse, only DC and Marvel Megaverses.
The Omniverse is the term used to describe all realities and all multiverses,
whereas Megaverse is a term (coined by Snood) which is used to describe all multiverses within one line of comics.
All of it is within the Omniverse, whether or not it is in the comics."--------------------------------
(2005 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
"We have coined the term Megaverse to include realms associating with a particular line of comics"
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(2006 Handbook description of a Megaverse) Jeff Christiansen feels the same:
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So, I'm not going back and forth anymore since this seals the deal.
If you're a serious person,
at-least you'll admit that the LT's bio did not mean two "megaverses" in Marvel,
but instead TWO SEPARATE Companies.Now, you wanna say, well that's true I can't argue against that, but that still isn't DC. Fine.
But you have to admit, that they aren't two megaverses in Marvel.
It's actually two lines of comics according to the guy who wrote it. (Jeff/Snood)Coincidentally it just happens to be the Brother from DC vs Marvel
corroborated by the writers of DC vs Marvel lol. But whatever.===========================================
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swank
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The Brothers Handbook bio: (and the contributors to the Brothers profile)
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm
First Appearance: DC vs. Marvel#1 (1996)
Other appearances: DC vs. Marvel#2-4 (March-May, 1996) ... Adventures of the X-Men#12 (March, 1997)
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... see under Comments:
Ron Marz - DC and Marvel writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Marz
Dan Jurgens - DC writer/artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Jurgens
Claudio Castellini - Marvel/DC artist (worked in DC vs Marvel) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudio_Castellini
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Mike Carlin did NOT work for Marvel during Adv. of the X-Men!
He was one of the 3 top bosses at DC comics in 1997 - before, during and after Adv. of the X-Men. [/B]
wasn't the brothers retconned?
Not officially, ... if they ever were. There's no evidence to suggest they were.
Evidently, the Brothers from 'DC vs Marvel,' were the same Brothers in 'Adv.of the X-Men.'
I'll add though, I don't think any writer gives a shit about any of this nowadays.
So, the Brothers weren't "retconned" but they were forgotten,
and are probably meaningless currently, and for quite a while I'd say.
The LT on the other hand was definitely retconned, well,
the entire hierarchy actually, and the cosmological make-up of Marvel as well.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So how would modern LT do against Mxy
Modern LT is but a whisper of what he used to be.
Mxy is uber powerful, amongst the top echelon of cats ever created,
he should be comfortably high on the list (ever) of either company imo.
That legit LT showing I posted, is just for informational purposes.
In that particular depiction,
the LT and Spectre were literally responsible for the creation of both sides, in their entirety.
