Part of the newlywed couple's plan is to create family. It starts with both of them. Then, raising kids. Of course, parents don't intend to create disobedient kids. This couple, nevertheless, knew that by raising kids, there will be times they would disobey. But why do you think they'd still want to raise kids?
holy crap... best answer. best explanation. good rhetorical question. ty for enlightenin me. i thought i posted a dificult answer. but you answered it in 1 sitting.
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but I thought god was omnipotent.......all knowing.....creates everything in the exact fashion he wants to, right down to the tendency to disobey or not to disobey. How is he to be compared to a normal man or woman who simply engages in sex?
That's not a good example.. .........I'm the nice god.....It's finti that's the mean god.......
The god and Lucifer/nemesis story is older than Christianity and found in many old pagan beliefs. Yes if god is all knowing, then why didn't he not create lucifer??....See the flaw? The bible god is not all knowing. Either that or he is just as evil as lucifer for punishing countess billions for eternity for the sin of a fallen angel?
debbiejo..
you challenge my christian beliefs and enlighten me with other religious beliefs. sorry for being limited to christianity...
but i think jury's answer is one of the best answer so far.unless you tell me something i dont know.
all i know now is some are created with a purpose. and some are created with no purpose. lucifer has a big role in this reality. hes the antagonist. i just dont know whats the purpose of having ''evil existance'' all i can think of is that every good story has a protagonist (jesus, other prophets and belivers) and antagonist (lucifer and his devil armies) but theres also minor characters like us who serve no purpose but to serve our own indulgence. God will end His story or His reality in His own way. could be the metaphoric symbols of the book revelations or could be the big crunch.
if i interpreted jury's reply correctly. God gave lucifer a free will. but lucifer's purpose is to serve God eternity. so one eternity later, Lucifer got ''bored'' and decided to take over and be a god himself. God already knew that Lucifer will do this. But God didnt intend to do so.
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God's ultimate creation was a being with free will, a being which could actively choose not to believe in the existence of its creator and instead believe in its own freedom to choose.
But just in case that wasn't enough to make things interesting, God made Lucifer.
Think of imaginative play: if you imagine scenarios where everyone gets along and everything is nice and wonderful, how much fun is that? Would you watch a movie with no conflict? Free will, the Devil: all this God made to spice things up.
If nothing else, God has one helluva sense of humor.
"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."
-- Voltaire
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Re: Bible Scholars: Please Give me the answer
I'm not a bible scholar. But I think he/she created Lucifer as a necessary evil. You know all that stuff about the balance of good and evil in the world....we can't know what good is without evil.... and such...and such...
So obviously in that light God sees evil in itself as a sort of good... And I don't mean that in some nonresponsible relativistic way either; I'm saying that having evil there to challenge and define good is apparently part of God's plan, IF the scriptures are indeed accurate.
* God, in the Bible, is not all-knowing or omniscient... there is something God does not know or prefer not to be involved with... for example...
"They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind :"
Jeremiah 19:5
* the evil people in the time of Prophet Jeremiah burned their children to offer to an idol named Baal... which God never commanded them to do so, neither it came into His mind that they would do such a horrible thing...
* on to the topic: God created the everything and what is His overall conclusion?
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good . And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
Genesis 1:31
* everything God made was good...
* God didn't made Lucifer evil... Lucifer is an angel, and good angel at first... but what happened next is not God's fault...
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High ."
Isaiah 14:12-14
* Lucifer's heart was filled with jealousy and desired to be like God...
* so your next question might be: why didn't God destroy Lucifer after Lucifer rebelled against Him? as i've quoted earlier, Lucifer too is a spirit, and spirits don't die...
"Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels ; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."
Luke 20:36
* how to defeated Lucifer? the last judgment: the punishment for the evil and his followers -> ETERNAL DAMNATION... the punishment is eternal because spirits don't die...
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Re: Re: Re: Bible Scholars: Please Give me the answer
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer , son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations !"
Isaiah 14:12
* when did you see the King of Babylon fell from heaven?
* and he is the Satan, the Devil that weakened the nations...
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world : he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Revelation 12:9
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Apr 28th, 2006 05:46 AM
.........I'm the nice god.....It's finti that's the mean god....... 
