I relise this post ended a while back but I just had to say, that all though nightmare has a sword and armour, devil jin has his laser beams and could just stand away and continiously beam him
DJ's a beast too, and a powerful one at that, considering he's Tekken's poster boy souped up.
No but seriously, considering DJ is quite fast and powerful and has those Hex visions to boot, whereas Nightmare lacks speed and comboing ability but his power and Soul Edge(I assume he has it) make up for it....I'd say they're quite evenly matched.....Don't know much about Nightmare though, so I'm going to have to side with DJ on this one, until I get more info on NM.
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Last edited by Demonic Phoenix on Dec 15th, 2006 at 02:08 AM
You've gotta be joking. Sword or no, and as badass as Nightmare is, theres no contest. Jin all the way. Did we forget the whole laser thing? And the flying? (although most of you have probably touched on those. Im too lazy to read it all.)
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I made a thread like this a while back, and concluded that both characters would come to a standstill. The reason is Jin gets a huge upgrade after absorbing Jinpachi's power, and Nightmare draws his power from human souls, and can always become more powerful. Despite Jin having some advantages over Nightmare, such as flight and longe range attacks (Laser Beam), Nightmare still holds immense power, and can damage Jin by several means. Here's the videos of them both.
Heh, I beleive I sided with Nightmare in the last thread like this, and I havn't seen anything that has changed my mind... Nightmare is a frigging monster, with the demonstrated ability to go against entire armies (Literally hundreds, even thousands of men, armed with their steel armour and carrying all sorts of weaponry).
Lasers and flight you say? those beams are a little too easy to anticipate, and they leave DJ open for far too long... Nightmare has considerably more strength in his attacks (Obviously he has a sword)... His range is also considerably better than DJ's, because he has to rely on his fists and feet... Plus, Nightmare has this really cool move, where he produces shockwaves (it also acts as an auto blocker)...
Pure storyline speaking, Nightmare's sword gives him a range of different abilities, such as unnaturally long life, superhuman strength and endurance, and the sword feeds on souls, making him stronger...
DJ is strong, no question, but there's little chance of him walking away from a Psychotic Supernaturally enhanced knight wielding a Demon sword thats bigger than Jin is...
For Nightmare to be as powerful as he's shown to be, he first needs to gather a lot of souls to become stronger; The same thing applies to Devil Jin. He can just approach people, overcome them and take their power, since he has that ability. So, I think it's fair that we let both characters reach a level of power that's on par. Otherwise, Nightmare and Jin would be watered down fighting against each other.
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Not really, since Nightmare has acheived that level of power canonically speaking, whereas, DJ has NEVER drained Jinpachi canonically... you can only use their highest official showing, and Nightmares is way up there.
Alright then, Jin goes off somewhere to achieve more power. Nightmare can't do jack shit about that. He isn't going to follow him considering he can't, and Jin could gain as much power as he can if he wanted to. He could overcome Kazuya and Heihachi like he did before, and take their power. Do you recall Ogre becoming a lot more powerful after inheriting Heihachi's power? Just think of Jin absorbing Kazuya, who is Devil technically speaking. He'd have as much power; if not, more than he'd have if he gained Jinpachi's power.
If you were too lazy to read all that, Jin can simply go somewhere to get stronger, and Nightmare isn't able to stop him from achieving his goal.
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You want to give Jin an unsolicited advantage because he can't beat Nightmare's highest showing himself?
Jin never drained anyone canonically, and he only drained Jinpachi in an unofficial ending... Nightmare trounces Jin in his highest showing, and if you want to take the road you just described, then Nightmare will have ample time to drain the souls of thousands of people, making him even stronger...
And, just for added effect, Nightmare's power, when the Soul Edge has been well fed, affects things across the planet (Taki's blades losing their strength, the whole evil seed thing, turning peole evil, effacting wether patterns into unnatural states, weakening both good and evil energy everywhere...
No, at best, Jin still gets trounced by Nightmare's highest powers.
Oh one more thing, If DJ retreats, that counts as a victory for Nightmare... so running away to gain more power is a loss for DJ.
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