I'm actually in agreement with the guy that team FF wins here, though not so much about his manner of speech.
The duel between Squall and Dart would be pretty close, I think. Dart certainly seems to have a lot more variety in his techniques, some of which can counters Squall's finishers, but overall I think Squall has him beat in terms of strength, and possibly swordsmanship, though I'm iffy on that last point.
Honestly, Lloyed didn't impress me much, and I think Sephrioth would teach the guys what it means to have silver locks.
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Controlling Dart is like controlling a boss at the end of most rpg's with all the epic moves he has. by the end of the game he is a swordmaster, so he beats squall there, and he has more feats, again beats squall there again. as far as strength i don't recall seeing an impressive strength feat from squall nor dart so that is nullified.
Llyoyd you can't hit unless your at a certain level of skill, he can dopplegang and move almost instantly. but i don't think he has moves on scale with sephy.
Yeah, Dart is really beast. With certain armor, he is healed by all fire-element attacks, so that's helpful.
Also, Dart and Lloyd have true flight.
Some of the later additions are pretty hot. It's like busting out a limit break at any time. Oh, and what move is it that allows you to turn the battlefield to the element of the caster?
its the special move when all of your characters have the option of dragoon, then you can turn them all into dragoon mode, but the character you used the special move with puts you in a different battle field. its a field that is perfectly suited for the dragoon character where you do perfect combos and your strength and defense is boosted tremendously
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Now hold on a second, chum. Is being a sword master a quantifiable feat, or is it just the fact he's really good with a sword? If it's the latter case, then there's no difference between him and Squall, and I'd actually go as far to say Squall has the advantage being a master of a more exotic weapon. I saw the moveset 5L provided, and lot of it didn't impress me, it was mostly combo strings that were pretty much on par with Squall's Renzozuken. I counted at least three different attack, however, that were significant in that they looked similar in power to Squall's first three finishers: Rough Divide, Fated Circle, and Blasting Zone. Comparing the abilities, I'd say Rough Divide would be canceled, as would FD (Foxonlylol), but I think Blasting Zone would trump Dart's laz0r blast.
Which feats do you mean exactly? Would you mind putting up a comparison that I can debate against? Simply saying he has more feats doesn't automatically give him the win, though it can help. If I didn't already know it wasn't canon, I would use the Jumbo Cactuar battle as a strength feat for Squall, for multiple reasons: 1) the JC is huge, like, at least the size of a small sky scraper. When using Renzozuken, Squall was able to leap into the air and land on top of the thing. 2) Again during the attack, Squall is taking slices at the Cactuar, and it's clearly being hurt. I mean, Squall is literally smacking the thing upside down at one point.
That being said, I'm pretty sure that find wouldn't count because it's a side quest, but there's a strength feat for you.
I'm fairly sure Sephiroth would be at the level of skill to hit Lloyd, and I did see the teleport strike he used against Dart in their first battle. I don't think its enough to give him a win, though.
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Past the posting limit, but one other thing I'd like to mention. If Dissidia is considered canon (which is currently one of the hottest debates at the moment) that ups Squall's versatility significantly, as well as gives him more feats to observe.
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[QUOTE=12506390]Originally posted by Maester_yoda
[B]Controlling Dart is like controlling a boss at the end of most rpg's with all the epic moves he has. by the end of the game he is a swordmaster, so he beats squall there, and he has more feats, again beats squall there again. as far as strength i don't recall seeing an impressive strength feat from squall nor dart so that is nullified.
I don't think that Dart shows more feats than Squall, I really doubt it, just look at how Squall demolishes each enemy with his attacks. I can't deny that Dart is an excellent swordsman, but Squall is the master of its weapon, I would say Squall is the strongest swordsman in the Earth (Talking about his world). Dart is only powerful when he's on his Dragoon form, he can fly and he have access to Magic spells. Despite of all of this, I don't know what sort of training Dart had only with his normal form, I would give it to Squall.
Lloyd isn't in Sephiroth's league. He let Cloud killing him by his stupid error in being arrogant, but Sephiroth wouldn't had mercy on Lloyd in any way, I'm sure of it.
Dart holds the Dragon crystal spirit thingy of fire, so his dragoon spirit was in that fight yes, but not his body.
Dart's skills as a swordsman stand alone in human form and he has above-human skill, but he takes on much greater powers of dragons when he transforms.
I'd say that Squall has the edge in human form, but the Dragoon form gives Dart enough extra abilities and powers to win out. I'd say Dart could go evenly with Seph, if we aren't counting ACC (because I don't remember Dart cutting through any buildings without magic). As for swordsmanship, I'd say they go even based on ACC, Dissidia, etc, if we were counting that.
The Dragoon Spirit provides Dart with super-human capabilities. I'd say he would put a GOOD fight for Squall since he have also the advantage of being able to fly.
Basically, Dart fought all of his enemies using the Dragoon Spirit, some examples are the Virages, Dart can't beat a Virage without his transformation, however, I'm sure Squall would beat one up seeing how the Final Fantasy VIII characters defeats God-like creatures like the GFs.
Comparing both characters, Dart looks more like a normal human, with very good sword skills, but nothing impressive I might add. Squall on the other hand, shows tons of more feats just for a normal human, without counting the GFs power, that gives him even more abilities, Dart's awesome, but Squall takes the victory, hands down.
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