This is a hard one I guess, but I dont see him damaging kain. He still has more or less mortal strength, even his shouts cant save him because their fairly featless tbh, his best bet is to stop time then perhaps use his best fire weapons or spells or use some of the more broken spells to constantly incapacitate Kain like paralysis.
Not that Kain wont kill Dovakhin before his mortal mind reacts but I like the Dragon born.
He has that shout which boosts attack speed and makes him move faster....iirc elemental fury.
It's not like Dovakiin hasn't got soul stealing spells and weapons...
Kain just has better ones, its like putting a level 20 Dovakin vs a level 100 one with equelly stronger gear. Elemental fury makes your hands move quicker yes, theres no reaction speed though and then what?
And their not exactly soul stealing, some have the soul trap effect which means the soul is devoured by the gem on death, Kain doesnt wait until then, he prefers to take the soul first, death later.
Kain can equel most of his shouts with spells and his physical movements naturally. Also he has to rest between shouts.
It doesnt work against most enemies, infact stronger enemies cannot seem to even be transformed into anything, they annoyingly just summon Dremora or worse who lunges after you after dispatching the problem. Although, Wabbajack is probably his best hope to beat kain in some form or other.
Aye it works on centurions but their just lumps of metal, actual creatures like Dragons are immune, anything above a certain threshold of power, which isnt that high is too strong.
advanced undead like Draugr Death lords seem to be immune.
Now I haven't beat Skyrim yet cause I'm trying to take it slow but I love Dovahkiin I mean he fights Dragons. Dragons are like epitome of badass.....That being said....I haven't seen many powers yet that could help him deal with Kain..Kain is...pretty damn strong to say the least....
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but...since he doesn't have Genei-Jin, he's going to have to rely on his Shouts ,upgraded weapons,stronger spells, maybe some summons as well, might have to break out the weapons made of silver ...I really wish there was a H2H skill to level in Skyrim :/...that was my main thing in the previous Elder Scrolls lol..
My Dovakhin would probably slow time, leap in with his Daedric sword which would smash on Kains skin, reverberate up the mans arm and break it, in which he will probably pass out. Or he would just toss spells, not sure what good they will do, their fairly featless, wabbajack is the only argument. Also, almost anyone in Skyrim could beat a bog standard dragon tbh, even in the canon, you dont need to be superhuman to take one down.
Which is more or less the point I'm trying to make here, the argument concerning Kain vs a character that will always be different, will have different approaches, different enchanments, use different kind of magic in the engagement etc, is that it will always be a different outcome or a different way to tackle the matchup making it impossible to give a qualified guess, because each assesment will be based on each own Novakhiin. You don't base the outcome on all the other players Novakhiin. But as I said mine would win, so would my Nerevarine and my Champion of Cyradiil.
How would yours win? Possibly the Champion of Cyradil because you could get some broken abilities there, especially with mods, mine can throw nukes from his palms.
Why wouldn't yours win? It's a irrational argument based on a set of gameplay mechanics that can't be confirmed or denied, for all we know the Dragons could by themselves have killed the Elder God in LoK, we don't know. We have nothing common we can meassure them up against. One could claim that killing the Dragon and absorbing it's soul, thus having your soul made up of dragons will make it impossible for Kain to drain you, others would argue that a simple reflect magic (or whatever it's called now) is sufficiant. Each will have a different view on the events because Skyrim is a game that is shaped by the player, that can't really be said about LoK. My Nerevarine would flatten Kain in a single sword swing, now that was a game were you could make yourself a God. My Champion of Cyradiil will just transmute Kain into gold, or teleport him into the void between worlds, yes I have gotten some really insane mods over the years. Nemebro and Me used to compare to see who had the most insane character. His was basically full out magical and damage resistant.
Based on actual feats, the Dova would never beat the EG, not even see him, what do you mean "the dragons could by themselves", thats odd line of thought, its almost like your saying just because their so ambigious we shouldnt assume either way, which we do, we always either assume a feat or lack therof, and dragons or the Dova do not, you cant say "for all we know" for everything ambigious, "for all we know, the dragons could lift up Kronos from GoW and toss him into the sun" doesnt work but we know from the fact theyve never done anything alike to that, that its not within their feats. Kains resistant to transformation powers, Dark Eden and a single sword swing? your making things up as you go along here, said characters do not have feats, simply gameplay mechanics. "full out magic and damage resistance" does not mean Kain, Kratos or anyone couldnt rip them to piecies in a KMC match, in his own game Kain is 100% damage and magic resistant when using the repel shield, but that means nothing without an actual feat.
This thread outlines a few rules, one its the Dovakhin , we know canonically he has no feats beyond mortal men, instead he has powers that buff him or debuff his enemies but thats about it, we knwo from this thread he has Daedric armour as well.
Mine would nuke both yours back to oblivion
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All his actual feats are gameplay which isn't taken into consideration in a vs match up iirc, so the point is moot. What I mean is that we have no idea on the powerscaling that operates in Elder Scrolls in compare to LoK, thus a comparison between them in terms of abilities, spells and differences is neverending. Incorrect, we saw a Dragon easily lift and throw a giant into the sky, I wish you the best of luck proving that it is the dragons upper strenght level or the best of luck to me proving that the Dragon can throw more.
And when all the feats of character (especially a character such as the Dovahkiin that is entirely playerbased) are based on gameplay, I can't see the reason in trying to make a vs thread, because of the previous mentioned circumstances that involves each that plays Skyrim, is having a different experience. And exactly I only have my gameplay experience which isn't feats which is what makes his entire discussion theory based. We can take a discussion about my character vs Kain or Kratos or the Lich King for all I care, the point is that as long we are dealing only in gameplay then we are getting nowhere, and Skyrim (and the elder scrolls in general) is all about gameplay as long as it concerns the main character.
That is where your assesment is off (and the thread makers too imo) because you can't take the Dovahkiin and use him as a normal character when the Dovahkiin is played and used in thousands of different ways. Had it been Geralt from Witcher 2 or another character were you actually doesn't have that much of a overall influecen (for instance concerning Geralt, it was stated that Geralt ofcause excells in all the mentioned abilities but in order for the gameplay to be fun you can only excell in one) the Dovahkiin's abilities is left entirely up to you.
No he wouldn't, unless you have recall I'll blast you into the voids between the worlds, since it's a nice little spell that ignores resistance and magical absorbation (made to remove enemies when I was in a hurry, all credit for the idea goes to Frostcrag Reborns Author).
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