Where is the common sense in viewing Yoda not being able to defeat Anakin at? I see no such common sense at all in fact.
Let's examine the fights... Dooku vs. Anakin.. The first time they meet... Dooku one shots Anakin constituting a forum win.. Then during the same fight a little later gets his arm chopped off. That is essentially two losses in one fight. The next time they meet.. AGAIN Anakin has help and the movie, script and novel make it clear that Dooku had depleted vital reserves in fighting both of them off. Let me also remind you that Dooku was instructed NOT to kill Anakin.. so that entire start and middle of the fight is null and void of Dooku going for the killing blow on Anakin. Then.. a weakened dooku gets taken out by Anakin... This is somehow more impressive than...
Yoda.. not wanting to kill dooku WITH NO help at the same time making Dooku duck tail and flew? How on earth are you guys saying Anakin looked more impressive in his showings against Dooku.. That couldn't be further from the truth. Yoda was neither one shot.. made to have a stump of arm or have help in fighting dooku draining his reserves.
how about we go further... Kenobi... obviously below Windu or Yoda... was able to beat Anakin and turn him into a pint sized midget when he was done with him. Again another defeat for Anakin.. something Kenobi would never have done against Yoda. I won't even get into how Sids is well above Vader and how Yoda got the best of Sids.. No need to even go there.
Point is, yoda beats anakin, and really it wouldn't be that hard.. espeically if it's all out. In sabers anakin will do well but will be beaten
I agree with the point that pure sabers are the only area Anakin can contend with Yoda (though, I'll give the edge to Yoda)
In the Force--Yoda takes it,
and so Yoda takes all out (against Zone Anakin) 7/10
(Against CW Anakin he takes 10/10 IMHO)
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Because strict interpretation of choreography without consideration of other factors (e.g., the script, the novel, circumstance, motivation, etc.) might very well lead one to conclude that Dooku was Yoda's equal in that fight.
That you ironically demand this same sort of interpretation for Windu vs. Sidious amuses me to no end.
I imagine it's hard to see that which you're incapable of.
Common sense is that Anakin at that point is Jedi for 10 years, which is more than enough to reach prime. There are Force users that reached prime within 1-2 years, he can't be THAT untallented comparing to them.
Common sense is that by that time he reached at least half of his potental(full potential with rage), which means that he is at least as powerful as Yoda.
Common sense is that he learned lesson from first fight with Dooku and dedicated enough time to lightsaber combat to become Master of his Form.
Common sense is that Anakin doesn't have physical limitations, thus doesn't need to waste power on overcoming them like Yoda.
Imagine if you were bought free passes to a martial arts Dojo - you train there for ten years (Or how about we say, 30) and you attain a multi-degree Black belt rank.
You become amongst the most skilled and experienced members of that Dojo.
- Then you get called off to war.
You fight in a war for three years, as a sort of Front-line commander - you get involved in firefights, and a large share of close-encounters with the enemy, that require hand-to-hand combat.
You return 3 years later.
- In three years, a person can't age much - but they can sharpen their skillset, and learn much more than they had before.
After those three years, not only would you be a better fighter - you would be a considerably better combatant - with your outlook changed, skillset more geared towards combative efficiency.
- That was the Yoda that existed after the Clone Wars.
Beforehand, he hadn't participated in a war; certainly not like the Clone Wars - he was just a highly skilled and powerful Jedi Master.
- After the War, he wasn't rusty anymore, as he had been before, and his skillset was sharpened, and he was more used to fighting powerful and deadly opponents.
Before the war, in a short duel, he was only able to stalemate an equally-rusty Dooku.
- After the war, in a short duel, he was able to disarm a fully-seasoned Darth Sidious.
- That's the difference.
Peak Anakin could kill AotC Yoda in a pure-saber duel.
I agree with this also - it's a good way to look at it.
In 10 fights with each other, Zonakin would definitely kill AotC Yoda in some of those fights.
Such logic perfectly applies to Kenobi. In AotC he is acomplished Master, yet, Dooku easily defeated him. However, in next three years he improved as much as Anakin.
As for Yoda he confronted darksiders before, Dagobah is one of the proofs. In my opinion because of his size he can stalemate in combat anyone. While he lacks disarming power as seen in AotC, I think it's nearly impossible to strike down such a small midget whirlwinding all over the place. Sidious was especially at disadvantage on those platforms, he couldn't move around, while Yoda
could still jump around like always.
Are you serious ?
he barely beat Obi Wan. I wouldn't disrespect Yoda to
AOTC Anakin
Most definitely not ROTS Anakin or Pre or Peak suit Vader.
if Dooku and Sidious had a hard time with Yoda
what makes yall think that ROTS or Zone Anakin can beat Yoda?
In AOTC Obi Wan told Anakin that HE didn't rival Master Yoda as a Swordsman.
Only in Anakin's mind
just like this thread if you think Anakin can beat Yoda in a Saber duel.... lol
Simple. Twice more powerful. No physical limitations whatsoever. Undergone over 10 years of proper Jedi tutelage including 1000s hours of sparring with Kenobi. Gained hell lot of combat experience through out CW. Outskilled Dooku on two occasions, while Yoda in two longer fights never outskilled Dooku. Plenty of reasons really...
Arhael,that's like me trying to fight the Grand Master of any martial art style .
seriously!!!
the fight will be over before I bow to the master or ATTEMPT to rise my hands !!!! lol.
One more thing Yoda doesn't give in to blind rage or the dark side so thats 3 stikes against
any Anakin of any era.
Yoda got this one!!!
Yoda probably won't even clash blades or touch blades with Anakin.
He'll be moving so fast that it will look like Anakin fighting himself!!! LOL
Then he'll get angry,then he'll give in to rage and the dark side blindly
And finally loosing some limbs or his head!!! take your pick.
I personally take back every wrong thing I said about Yoda.
Oct 31st, 2012 05:56 PM
