If registration for the new tourney is allowed, I'd love to have this team:
Destruction from the Sandman series if Eternals are allowed, Onslaught if not
Yusuke, Firebrand (Red Arremer)
Ultimate Clayface, Miroku (Inuyasha)
Ghost Rider, Ragtag (Static Shock)
Alternates can be: Kuwabara, Godzilla, John Preston (Equilibrium)
Yeah, someone needs to hold/run it, lay down some ground rules (no instant resurrection and no life/power draining were two in the current tourney), power limits for each class and how many characters in each class and other such stuff. If you're gonna start a new one I'm in though.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and I'm reserving Black Bolt and Mindnighter for my teamright now.
Last edited by Khellendros on Mar 26th, 2005 at 03:08 AM
I actually have no problem with life/power draining. One thing I DO put into my tourneys is SAVING THROWS. No instant resurrect throws a wrench in my plans too, heh. I'd say that it'd have to be limited and it'd have to be sensible. For example: If someone has an amulet that resurrects em and it would get destroyed in context of the fight... Resurrects can't bring someone back who's been banished, disintegrated, etc. - they have to be dead, not thoroughly dead. And before people use Final Fantasy level of ridiculousness with Pheonix Downs and Life spells: Those restore people who are unconscious, catatonic or deeply wounded, not actually dead. Aeris, people, Aeris. And Tellah.
The best spell in the world could be resisted if someone has dealt with it before, and the strongest warrior brought down by a total weakling, just like your Black Bolt shuts down Graviton example. So a power drain ability could easily be resisted if someone had effective control over their powers. Further, other sensible limits have to be added: Someone can't drain too far up or else they lose control of their powers and die/leak radiation/whatever makes sense given context.
How about this: Everyone interested register teams. We'll have 1 Uber, 2 High, 2 Mod, 2 Low powered. My characters roughly fit within those limits. Propose rule modifications, I'll respond to the general consensus. You can't be DQed if you try to break the rules, but your post that assumed a broken rule will be edited and/or ignored. I like the three hour prep time, and I will give anyone access to laboratories that they have as well as financial wherewithal. You have to prove that you'd plausibly know about someone else's weakness if you use it.
No one can be literally unstoppable. You can have a Juggernaut type, say, if they're not immune to X, Y or Z other thing. Manga and video games allowable? I'd say Eternals can be used, assuming again reasonable limits: Beyonder was drained by Doom, Morpheus got trapped by spells, etc.
As far as DC/Marvel comparative power: I say we assume DC generally has a smaller range of power with characters more focused on endurance than offensive power, whereas Marvel has a wide range with focus on damage dealing.
Characters can be chosen at any point in their development arc, but MAKE IT CLEAR, FOR GOD'S SAKES.
i think if there is another tournament it should be without uber powerful guys....... so far the majority of fights rest on which teams strongest guy wins and the rest seems inconsequential....... if you limit it to lower than superman levels then at least the lower guys have a shot if their biggest hitter is taken down........ what do you think?
Well thats cause our last tournament moderator (No offense spider) Didn't know much about many of the characters. He let characters far above the limit into classes without realizing it. As to the new guy in here, don't try to run a tournament untill you have some credibility.
Manga I don't have much of a problem with, but I think video game characters should be excluded. This IS a comic forum, so the character choices should be restricted to comic/mangas. I also think anyone picking a character should only do so if they can provide either a thorough write up on their character's powers or a link or two on demand.
as a person who hasn't read much if any manga, i'd think way more people would be more familiar with DC/Marvel and most wont have heard of some of the characters involved in manga.......it's difficult to battle a character you know nothing about when your opponent only tells you his strengths and leaves out his weaknesses or poor showings
it would be a more universally appealing tournament if you were to stick to Marvel/DC...... it isn't like they have a shortage of characters
Well most manga's don't show they're weakness, and if they do its the normal, being cut, normal endurance, and stuff. They just have speed, and can punch thru stuff that normal humans in like DC/Marvel coundn't, and have powers.
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To Scoobless: I think proper character selection can override mass power in the Uber slot. Let's say Magneto is in the uber slot, say. I think Magneto all in all is much stronger than Miroku, but Miroku can catch him off guard and kill him pretty easily. But that DOES mean that people have to not say "Look, HE'S DEATH" or something ridiculous and be willing to admit when the canon or when logic trumps the power discrepancy. Classic example: A Dark Archon's Feedback ability. I don't care who you are, if you're psychic (or arguably a mutant) and can't resist it, you die if your offense outweighs your endurance.
To Khellendros: Eh. Cred doesn't really matter because, frankly, it's all about the votes. If we change that format, then I'll co-Ref.
To Nataku: Mwahahahahah! No form of physics, eh? What form of physics regularly allows rules such as the way genetics/mutations actually works, anti-grav, inertia, entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and chemical exposure to be broken? It's called comic books, man. Ironically, one of the series I've seen that most respects science as it actually works is Full Metal Alchemist. That having been said, physics must be respected to the same level that it is normally. I think the best way to think about it is: it's the real world, ceterus paribus (in other words, all else being equal). When things aren't equal, i.e. magic, ki, psionics, mutant abilities, high technology that may or may not be possible but we assume it is for the sake of the story, then we'll be logical and explore it.
To Kento: I've actually become increasingly unconvinced of how strong DB characters actually are. Yes, they can blow up planets, but that puts them in the same range as Galactus, by no means the strongest being in Marvel, let alone DC. Further, they overwhelmingly rely on raw speed, strength, endurance and energy blasts: they're basically Supermen with rare additions of technique. Notice how even the most preponderantly powerful of em, say, Frieza during 90% of the Frieza saga, can be injured or thrown around if they're caught off guard by an attack from someone who is within the canon 1/10 or so of their power. It strikes me that many people in comic books have the wherewithal to destroy em, especially if we allow Eternals (which, given the general feeling, I don't think so.) I say that the upper limit should be roughly Goku/Superman/Onslaught/Thanos, basically the super-powered main hero characters or the saga "bosses". As far as manga power levels: It seems different, but there's definitely weird techniques: Gama's blood paint, Zorro's swordless sword technique, etc.
On the video game question: Looks like we're gonna strike the dude from Dig Dug or Centipede. Only if your character is grounded in a comic-like context (say, Link but probably not Mario, or Firebrand but probably not Arthur from Ghouls and Goblins) will it be entered. The character should be serious, not Bugs Bunny.
And, yes, before entering someone, a reasonable description of their level of power, past accomplishments, history, etc. will need to be described. Links will be greatly appreciated. Frankly, the Marvel/DC universes, while yes being supple and bereft, do somewhat limit the strategic choices available to people, as well as having their own problems of availability anyways. For one thing, manga continuities typically have the benefit of being non-contradictory within their official canon, an attribute comics regrettably don't have. The way around that is to have a reasonable posting of information. If you can't give us an independent authority (either within the forums or in terms of a reputable webpage, whether TV Tome or Marvel Directory or some such), you can't enter the character.
you see.........right there...........lol...........half the characters you mentioned i've never heard of........ and having a Thanos level character as the top guy means there is no point in having lower level characters as they would stand no chance once their own top guy is downed
Well I mean DBZ isn't really that powerful. I mean they can only destroy planets by using a large amount of KI. They can be hurt after being knocking into a mountain or thru one. But DBZ just causes alot of commotion.
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*laughs* Zorro also hold three swords, and then there is Gaara's sand thing, and Kyuubi in Naruto who heals him very fastly. But still all of them are within normal endurance, and strength, and can be hurt when hit, and can be cut. (Next to naruto who has super stamina cause of Kyuubi)
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To Kento: Yeah, that's basically it: It's a lot of commotion. I'd prefer not to allow Z Fighters if only because it's so basic penis-size comparison. "Well, he's at [Insert arbitrary level of power or transformation stage]".
To Scoobless: Research, my friend. That's why the restriction is that you have to be able to provide some evidence and some background. I mean, a lot of this board is canonical dispute basically: Who beat Juggernaut, the shockwave or Hulk? Etc. etc. It'd actually be REFRESHING to not have the comic on hand so you'd have to respond with a wider variety of abilities.
What do other people think of the Uber character? I actually have no problem with striking the top slot. I still think that, say, Onslaught could be beaten by a creative psychic lifeforce vampire or some such, but it surely couldn't hurt to only have 2 High, Mod and Low.
I think Thanos level might be to high. Maybe as strong as Supes or something a little strong but Thanos can kick nearly everybody's butt in any world, and So can SS.
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