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New Thunderbolts vs Defenders

DEFENDERS:
Dr. Strange
Namor
Savage Hulk
Silver Surfer
Valkyrie
Nighthawk
Hellcat

VS

NEW THUNDERBOLTS:
Atlas
Songbird
Speed Demon
Blizzard
Radioactive Man
Genis-Vell
Mach IV



WHO WINS?


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You've got two of the most powerful people in the universe on one team and you've got song bird on the other.

Who do YOU think wins?


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The Thunderbolts stand a better chance than you'd think. Chen Lu absorbed an atomic bomb, I'm sure he could weaken the Hulk by sapping his energy.

If Genis can keep Strange and Surfer busy for a minute, I think the less powerful members of the Defenders could be taken out with adequate teamwork, and then Dr. Strange, Surfer and Namor could be taken out from there. If she gets an opening, Songbird can fill Dr. Strange's lungs with solid sound and expand it, or Genis can shift his molecules through intraspace and render him unconscious (despite his great mystical abilities, physically Strange is still human).

I think it depends largely on Surfer and Genis. If Genis can take out Norrin, then the T-Bolts stand a chance of winning. If Surfer wins, the T-bolts go down.


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Genis is definitely superior to Surfer. Genis toyed with King Thor, who is equal to Odin, who nearly killed Surfer in one blast.

So Genis > King Thor = Odin >>>>>>> Surfer


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Genis is definitely superior to Surfer. Genis toyed with King Thor, who is equal to Odin, who nearly killed Surfer in one blast.

So Genis > King Thor = Odin >>>>>>> Surfer


Well how about this

Odin > Surfer

Surfer > Genis

Genis > King Thor

Genis never beat SS.

And remember he was one of the guys trying to stop the defender in the order series with almost all marvel heroes

That’s how powerful the Defenders are


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no dude Genis wasnt there, only Legacy was there. Legacy was Genis when he was a kid and had no control over his powers.


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no dude Genis wasnt there, only Legacy was there. Legacy was Genis when he was a kid and had no control over his powers.
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I just check he was there Order check the series he is one of the guys trying to Stop the defenders

And no SS defeated both Legacy, and Genis

He was toying Lagacy while back, when SS defeated marvell he called himself Genis much later near end of v3


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The Thunderbolts stand a better chance than you'd think. Chen Lu absorbed an atomic bomb, I'm sure he could weaken the Hulk by sapping his energy.

If Genis can keep Strange and Surfer busy for a minute, I think the less powerful members of the Defenders could be taken out with adequate teamwork, and then Dr. Strange, Surfer and Namor could be taken out from there. If she gets an opening, Songbird can fill Dr. Strange's lungs with solid sound and expand it, or Genis can shift his molecules through intraspace and render him unconscious (despite his great mystical abilities, physically Strange is still human).

I think it depends largely on Surfer and Genis. If Genis can take out Norrin, then the T-Bolts stand a chance of winning. If Surfer wins, the T-bolts go down.


Good post. This is definitely alot more even than it looks.

Atlas takes Namor (out of water)
Radioactive man takes Hulk no problems
Gennis Vs Surfer (Surfer usually wins, but we'll come back)
Strange vs Speed Demon Mach IV and Songbird = They get battered until Radioactive man shows up.

Defenders win, but it would be close. smile

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Dude, Genis would wipe the floor with Surfer. Surfer is equal to Thor, Genis toyed with King Thor!!!!!!!


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He didn't really toy with Thor at all. They shot each other, once. Neither was greatly affected. Although I think Genis would be a better mach up for Surfer than he was last time they encountered one another, he has a better handle on his powers, and has demonstrated some new tricks with the intraspace photons lately.


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no dude he toyed with him Genis was playing around while King Thor was trying as hard as he could to hurt him. Genis couldve dodged Thor's hammer very easily if he wanted to but he was acting cocky and instead put up a forcefield which Mjolnir broke threw but Genis couldve killed him if he wanted to all he wanted to do was talk but he was getting a little annoyed with people sticking things in his face which is why he blasted Thor, not cuz he wanted to hurt him, just to get him to stop threatening him. If Genis wanted he couldve killed King Thor.


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i really dont think so regular thor is a match for genis so a more powerful one will kill him but it wasnt much of a fight now was it


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They fought for all of two minutes, it was inconclusive at best. Thor can do more than just throw his hammer. If he powered it up and walloped Genis in the face with it, we'd have one less Captain Marvel to worry about. I don't think we can adequately decide who would beat whom by a small five panel display.


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exactly but just think about it classic thor can maybe beat him so its just common sense a more powerful one will murder genis


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dude where are u getting this information that classic Thor can maybe beat him? show me proof.


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there is always a possibility and thor has fought against uber powerful guys who can surely own genis he has fought ego surfer thanos hela the asgardian destroyer celestials he probably didnt beat them all but he held his own genis is an upstart classic thor will beat him 6/10


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Genis toyed with King Thor.It wasn't Rune King Thor, but still a SKYFATHER.
Genis showed to be able to manipulate time and space and use his energy manipulation and absorption abilities to a degree his father never had.
He was far above the Class 15 tons of strenght, sure he can reach the Class 100 rank, he can fly FTL, his reflexes are incredible and his Cosmic Awareness make him an incredible enemy, cause he can counter most of the things his enemies can do to him and kill them on a whim.This guy was absorbing a specific radiation from a STAR in the negative zone to heal back Rick Jones effortlessy.
He's no more the cocky rookie with energy blasts, strenght and fly, he's MORE THAN THAT.FAR MORE.
He'll probably stomp both Surfer and Strange especially without prep time for Strange, cause he showed he can absorb magical energies as well as cosmical and other wavelenghts.
Radioactive Man is in the Class 100 range too, this guy throw down with Classical Thor more than once, can produce heat, light, radiations, concussive force, and enhance all of his physical skills, plus create force fields even able to STOP Mjolnir.

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Genis toyed with King Thor.It wasn't Rune King Thor, but still a SKYFATHER.
Genis showed to be able to manipulate time and space and use his energy manipulation and absorption abilities to a degree his father never had.
He was far above the Class 15 tons of strenght, sure he can reach the Class 100 rank, he can fly FTL, his reflexes are incredible and his Cosmic Awareness make him an incredible enemy, cause he can counter most of the things his enemies can do to him and kill them on a whim.This guy was absorbing a specific radiation from a STAR in the negative zone to heal back Rick Jones effortlessy.
He's no more the cocky rookie with energy blasts, strenght and fly, he's MORE THAN THAT.FAR MORE.
He'll probably stomp both Surfer and Strange especially without prep time for Strange, cause he showed he can absorb magical energies as well as cosmical and other wavelenghts.
Radioactive Man is in the Class 100 range too, this guy throw down with Classical Thor more than once, can produce heat, light, radiations, concussive force, and enhance all of his physical skills, plus create force fields even able to STOP Mjolnir.

Stomp? Didn’t do that in Order, neither did Strange have much respect for the guy , he whould rather have SS.


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Genis toyed with King Thor.It wasn't Rune King Thor, but still a SKYFATHER.
Genis showed to be able to manipulate time and space and use his energy manipulation and absorption abilities to a degree his father never had.
He was far above the Class 15 tons of strenght, sure he can reach the Class 100 rank, he can fly FTL, his reflexes are incredible and his Cosmic Awareness make him an incredible enemy, cause he can counter most of the things his enemies can do to him and kill them on a whim.This guy was absorbing a specific radiation from a STAR in the negative zone to heal back Rick Jones effortlessy.
He's no more the cocky rookie with energy blasts, strenght and fly, he's MORE THAN THAT.FAR MORE.
He'll probably stomp both Surfer and Strange especially without prep time for Strange, cause he showed he can absorb magical energies as well as cosmical and other wavelenghts.
Radioactive Man is in the Class 100 range too, this guy throw down with Classical Thor more than once, can produce heat, light, radiations, concussive force, and enhance all of his physical skills, plus create force fields even able to STOP Mjolnir.


ONCE AGAIN K3VIL I AGREE WITH U TOTALLY.


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